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Convict
7th Dec 2004, 10:26 PM
A previously unknown species of miniature human barely a metre tall, who hunted pygmy elephants and giant rats, lived on Australia's doorstep until at least 13,000 years ago.

Australian and Indonesian scientists have unearthed a near-complete skeleton of a female member of the species, nicknamed Hobbit, in a cave on the remote Indonesian island of Flores, 600 kilometres east of Bali.

The archaic humans co-existed for tens of thousands of years with our own species and might have died out only 500 years ago. Archaeologist and team member Mike Morwood, from the University of New England, said they were about the size of a modern three-year-old.

"They weighed around 25 kilograms and had a brain smaller than most chimpanzees," Professor Morwood said. "Even so, they used fire and made sophisticated stone tools. Despite tiny brains, these little humans almost certainly had language."

The discovery of the species, published today in the journal Nature, is being hailed as one of the most important in a century in the study of human origins. Until now, it had been thought our only recent cousins were the Neanderthals in Europe, who died out about 30,000 years ago.
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"The find is startling," said another team member, Dr Robert Foley, of the University of Cambridge. "It is breathtaking to think that such a different species of hominin existed so recently."

Named Homo floresiensis, it is the smallest species of human ever found. It is the first that overlapped recently with our species to have been discovered since Neanderthal remains were found in the 1800s.

The island the small humans lived on, Flores, was a "lost world" inhabited by creatures as strange as they were - giant rats and giant lizards, komodo dragons, and primitive dwarf elephants that were extinct elsewhere.

Bones including the skull, jaw, pelvis and leg of a 30-year-old woman were uncovered last year in Liang Bua cave on Flores and dated to about 18,000 years old.

More recently, the team has uncovered her arm bones as well remains from six other little people, who lived in the cave from about 95,000 years ago to 13,000 years ago. The existence of the species will prompt a "major rethink" of how humans evolved, according to another on the team, Peter Brown, of the University of New England.

"The most remarkable thing is that someone with that sort of small brain size was behaving in many ways like a modern human in terms of hunting and the stone tools they used," he said.

Professor Morwood said the little people were thought to have evolved from larger archaic humans, Homo erectus, who managed to sail across to Flores from Java about 800,000 years ago.

They evolved into dwarfs, like the elephants on the island, because small creatures had a better chance of survival on a remote island where there was little food and no major predators.

Homo erectus spread from Africa to Asia more than a million years ago, but were eventually replaced by our species, Homo sapiens, who left Africa about 120,000 years ago, according to the leading theory of human movement.

The little Homo floresiensis species survived on Flores long after Homo sapiens had moved into the region and begun to colonise Australia and New Guinea 50,000 years ago.

Bert Roberts, of the University of Wollongong, whose team carried out the dating, said there were a lot of detailed folk tales on Flores about little people.

"These stories suggest there may be more than a grain of truth to the idea that they were still living on Flores up until the Dutch arrived in the 1500s," Professor Roberts said. "The stories suggest they lived in caves. The villagers would leave gourds with food out for them to eat, but legend has it these were the guests from hell. They'd eat everything, including the gourds."

It is 110 years since the last human species was discovered in South-East Asia - the 700,000-year-old Homo erectus Java man specimen.

SMH (http://www.smh.com.au/news/Science/Mankinds-small-giant-leap/2004/10/28/1098667866340.html)

Machine
8th Dec 2004, 02:26 AM
Double-you-tee-haitch! Ma brayn iz gonna sexplode!

Convict
8th Dec 2004, 02:34 AM
What are you talking about?

Machine
8th Dec 2004, 02:42 AM
I was about to ask you the same question good sir.

Convict
8th Dec 2004, 02:51 AM
The article is about how a group of scientists has discovered what they think is another human species.

Machine
8th Dec 2004, 02:54 AM
That great, really intreasting. So what does it mean?

Mordengaard
8th Dec 2004, 03:02 AM
It means we're going to have to watch our knee-wallets.

Aggamemnon
8th Dec 2004, 03:58 AM
Convict + post = shit

:scrub: :nono:

Have you seriously nothing better to do than drudge this stuff up and repost it here?

Convict
8th Dec 2004, 05:20 AM
I did a search and this is the first time it has been mentioned. I thought it is an interesting piece of science. If you don't like it don't read it.

It's very easy to have a go at someone from the other side of the world, safe in the knowledge you won't suffer a Le Fort III. :thumb:

Machine
8th Dec 2004, 07:26 AM
From where me and Agga come, I don't think we have anything to be scared of. Especially in Aggas case. If you want it to be more personal.. I'm sure we can meet! :thumb:

Aggamemnon
8th Dec 2004, 07:47 AM
Maybe I can set the ethnic minorities on him haha, he could try explaining why he doesn't like them much. I live and get on with near most of the different people (of all the races and religions we have here) around here, more than I can say for the last place I lived, where the "local" people seemed more like the arseholes to me.

But yeah lets meet eh, I have absolutely no problem voicing my views face to face, or the consequences involved. Are you trying to say you would come to blows with me for stating my own opinion, I really am getting a much better idea of the type of person you are convict ;)

mOdEtWo
8th Dec 2004, 07:56 AM
It means we're going to have to watch our knee-wallets.
In context, that was a really funny statement.

Convict
8th Dec 2004, 09:08 AM
Maybe I can set the ethnic minorities on him haha, he could try explaining why he doesn't like them much. I live and get on with near most of the different people (of all the races and religions we have here) around here, more than I can say for the last place I lived, where the "local" people seemed more like the arseholes to me.

But yeah lets meet eh, I have absolutely no problem voicing my views face to face, or the consequences involved. Are you trying to say you would come to blows with me for stating my own opinion, I really am getting a much better idea of the type of person you are convict ;)
You learn to be strong as a Christian. :)

Convict
8th Dec 2004, 09:11 AM
That great, really intreasting. So what does it mean?
It means that there may have been other human species that were fairly advanced. I thought that was interesting.

As I said the Sydney Morning Herald (SMH) is one of the 2 big Australian papers.

Shug
8th Dec 2004, 09:40 AM
Listen guys I sympathize about the somewhat random massive posts that Conv comes up with, but having met the man - I can safely say he would probably roll both of you at the same time.

Apart from that, yeah... this post could have gone in the appropriate thread (being the one about creationism vs evolution).

Now let's all get a grip before we break out in a macho online wrestling match ENGLAND VS AUSTRALIA

Convict
8th Dec 2004, 09:52 AM
Lol Shug! Yeah guys in real life I don't talk about this stuff much but I like to at forums where people discuss this stuff. And both my posts were probably something like a dorithy dix for atheists (except not a question).

DeepQantas
8th Dec 2004, 10:49 AM
What's with the automatic flaming of Convict's posts? :nono:

Schleicher
8th Dec 2004, 01:18 PM
Homo floriensis?

Gay Flowers? Flower People? Hippies?

Oh its "Floresiensis"....nah dont know that either ^.^

BrokenArts
8th Dec 2004, 01:36 PM
Your gay flowers comment, reminded me of an opening avi for T2X, spoof video, featuring a guard dancing very gay like amoungst some flowers, *gay flowers* it's so pretty, and gay. :P :rolleyes:

Antero90
8th Dec 2004, 01:47 PM
Your gay flowers comment, reminded me of an opening avi for T2X, spoof video, featuring a guard dancing very gay like amoungst some flowers, *gay flowers* it's so pretty, and gay. :P :rolleyes:

Speaking of T2X... How long will that beta take?
Hopefully not as long as 1.5 Right?

Shug
8th Dec 2004, 07:21 PM
It'll take longer than fett's hair

Radamanthus
8th Dec 2004, 07:50 PM
Urgh.. VERY old news. Convict, you might want to watchthe material you post. The (if you haven't heard) threads were annoying.

and yes, Fett's hair needs to be longer.

BrokenArts
8th Dec 2004, 07:58 PM
[sidetrack]T2X is slated for release after the holidays I bet. Winter release is the word from Sledge, they are making excellent progress on the beta. Everyone is really geared up, and exicted about this. It is nearing the end. The only things left to do, are finish the briefing drawings, and a cutscene, it is winding down, this will be most excellent taffers.[/endofsidetrack]

Convict
8th Dec 2004, 09:14 PM
Well I thought they would expand your knowledge base. :P