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    Tournament Blacklist

    Recent events have made it obvious that there needs to be a form of reprimand and punishment for serious offenses in tournaments. Server bans won't work, since server rules may not always have been broken, and such bans are subject to other considerations and rarely permament.

    Hence, anyone who breaks tournament rules, cheats in a tournament, or has serious unbecoming conduct in a tournament shall be placed on this blacklist. I'll keep it updated with names, as well as IP and public CD key information of the offenders.

    I would strongly suggest that anyone running a tournament or other organized events in this community not allow blacklisted players to participate. While I can't force this, I think it's evident that players with such destructive behaviour can only be a detriment to organized events.

    Blacklisted Players
    None presenty. It would be unfair -- ironic though that is in this case -- to blacklist players for conduct that occured before the creation of this blacklist.
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    Issues of enforcement, you've already addressed - namely that it's voluntary on the part of anyone running a tournament.

    However, what criteria are going to be used to put someone on the blacklist? Who's going to decide on those criteria, and who's going to decide when they've been met? Is there going to be a way to get off the blacklist? If so, what are the criteria for to do so?

    Leaving aside the issue of whether this is even a good idea (I'll discuss with you privately, if you wish), you'll need good answers to those questions if this is going to work at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaughingRat
    Issues of enforcement, you've already addressed - namely that it's voluntary on the part of anyone running a tournament.

    However, what criteria are going to be used to put someone on the blacklist? Who's going to decide on those criteria, and who's going to decide when they've been met? Is there going to be a way to get off the blacklist? If so, what are the criteria for to do so?

    Leaving aside the issue of whether this is even a good idea (I'll discuss with you privately, if you wish), you'll need good answers to those questions if this is going to work at all.
    To get on the list;
    Hmmm, let's see; repeatedly breaking tournament rules, consistent/repeated teamkilling for no point (a point being if someone is stuck), being useless on a team (not showing up for matches, idling, etc.) and mouthing off at other players repeatedly.

    That's the criteria I'd use, myself. 1st Rule Break = Warning, 2nd Rule Break = Warning, 3rd = Tempban, 4th = Permaban/Blacklist, or skip the temp and go straight to permanent.

    Same for idling - if you stay in a match and don't do anything, or don't try and help your team, then you get warnings, and mouthing off at other players similar, because nobody wants a whiny painintheass spamming chat about someone's behaviour when they're trying to play a serious tournament game.

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    See, and I'd add some to that list, and disagree with some of the things you've mentioned. Hence, there needs to be some consistent set of criteria that, while everyone may not agree on, is at least accepted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaughingRat
    See, and I'd add some to that list, and disagree with some of the things you've mentioned. Hence, there needs to be some consistent set of criteria that, while everyone may not agree on, is at least accepted.
    Indeed, I doubt everyone would agree with those, but that's life.

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    To make it simple... You get blacklisted if a tournament organiser blacklists you. So what stops a lame organiser blacklisting everyone? The fact no-one will listen to them.

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    A detailed-enough description/link to a thread about the blacklisted person would be nice - let the people hosting the tournaments sort them out from that point on.

    Now... To the real important stuff... I vote we blacklist Exo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swiss Mercenary
    A detailed-enough description/link to a thread about the blacklisted person would be nice - let the people hosting the tournaments sort them out from that point on.

    Now... To the real important stuff... I vote we blacklist Exo.
    Considering I don't even take part IN Thievery Tournaments, let alone have TUT (or UT99) installed, means I don't give a damn!

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    BlackCat

    Do I understand this thread right?
    All ppl who made shit on the TW 3 tournament will get on the blacklist?
    "Blockheads never learn, Clever learn by his own mistakes, Intelligents learn by mistakes of others."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman
    Do I understand this thread right?
    All ppl who made shit on the TW 3 tournament will get on the blacklist?
    Read this again, more carefully:

    Quote Originally Posted by WildBill
    Blacklisted Players
    None presenty. It would be unfair -- ironic though that is in this case -- to blacklist players for conduct that occured before the creation of this blacklist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman
    Do I understand this thread right?
    All ppl who made shit on the TW 3 tournament will get on the blacklist?
    rephrase that to
    All ppl who made shit on the TW 3 tournament will get off scott free
    and you will have a better understanding Sandman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen Erased
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman
    Do I understand this thread right?
    All ppl who made shit on the TW 3 tournament will get on the blacklist?
    rephrase that to

    and you will have a better understanding Sandman.
    Not really. Their reputations aren't exactly untouched. Besides, the same applies to anyone who's pulled BS in any other formal competition situation, and I don't hear you complaining about that.

    Really, retroactive penalties aren't all that productive. Rather like your post.

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    I think by "scott-free" he means they got their captain disqualified and lost the competition

    oh wait
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    haha

    Here is me thinking it was more about the good matches these things brought about.

    As for a blacklist, there already is one really, most people know who they do and do not want to play against, most of the tournaments/runners have accounted for that in their own way.

    ToD anyone? hehe

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    sry my bad!
    my english isnt that good...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggamemnon
    Here is me thinking it was more about the good matches these things brought about.
    Kinda hard to have those when teams like yours try stuff like they did.

    The idea is to prevent those disruptions from happening more than once.
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    Well each and every tournament has had it's own things going on, why would yours be any different?

    While it was my team, it was nothing to do with me, should people not involved be blacklisted too?

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    This is all a load of gay! Whats the point of having a "Blacklist" no ones gonna play any more of these tournaments, get over it already, it's time to move on!!!!
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    ^ BlackListed!
    j/k!

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    ToD will be enforcing this list and adding to it if necessary. And yes I realize that means as of right now no one is blacklisted. I merely want to emphasize the fact that if anyone tries to break the tournament they will be blacklisted, blackbagged, and crucified.

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    Surely Brody has a list of players currently not allowed on his server.
    Anyone known to use "game enhancing/altering" methods of play surely shouldn't be in a tourny either.

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    Do Shug/Keg get banned for turning up drunk?

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    I don't think there's anything in the rules about taking performance decreasing drugs.

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    Are you sure Keg was drunk? He always sort of seems that way to me, I would have guessed that was normal.
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    'cos he's always drunk of course, wonder if he'll be back in time for ToD, he was meant to be back from his holiday by now but havn't seen him.

    I don't think there's anything in the rules about taking performance decreasing drugs.
    Right ! So any BCG members joining in can still drink good ol' Dr.Pepper....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biohazard View Post
    they will be blacklisted, blackbagged, and crucified.
    sounds like fun

    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Do Shug/Keg get banned for turning up drunk?
    i dont recall entering yet...

    Quote Originally Posted by zifnab View Post
    Are you sure Keg was drunk? He always sort of seems that way to me, I would have guessed that was normal.


    Quote Originally Posted by ]>CoD<[Chief View Post
    'cos he's always drunk of course, wonder if he'll be back in time for ToD, he was meant to be back from his holiday by now but havn't seen him.
    keg doesnt drink how could you acuse him of such a thing... *realises he sitting in a pub with 3 empty glasses infront of him....* ok - so he has the odd one or two

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggamemnon View Post
    Surely Brody has a list of players currently not allowed on his server.
    Agga, hey Agga

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brody View Post
    Agga, hey Agga

    Currently is no one banned on my Servers. Only me due my Wife, but thats another Story, hi hi hi.
    I say you take action and ban her... even if she doesn't play.
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    Well that's the thing isn't it - she does play
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