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Old 17th May 2011, 04:42 AM   #1
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Thievery youtube video channels



Nobody playing Nostalgia? Shame!

I checked that Nosta has same video popularity as Kamasutra and Occam. Its looks like thievery spirit in the hearts of community for that maps are equal and not much itself
Nosta=Kama=Occam

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Old 17th May 2011, 10:33 AM   #2
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Ive never seen Monastery, is that a new map? d.d

Good stuff btw, would comment but yotoob requires to couple accounts with google or somesuch shit now, have a thread rating instead.
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Old 17th May 2011, 10:44 AM   #3
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Nar Monastery is old, made by Firetiger I think. Complete name is "Hammerite Monstery"
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Old 17th May 2011, 10:51 AM   #4
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Good stuff btw
Thanx, Schleicher
btw, its could be helpful to see you on thievery servers
even more than see you in comment's posters
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Old 17th May 2011, 12:03 PM   #5
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None of the good maps up there. *sniff*
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Old 17th May 2011, 02:59 PM   #6
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yeah no TH-2O and stuff...
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Old 18th May 2011, 07:42 AM   #7
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Mr.N shows us drank style 7:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67v3K6acSB4

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Old 18th May 2011, 11:01 AM   #8
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Is the trippy sound on purpose or a bug? Either way its funny :p
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Old 18th May 2011, 11:09 AM   #9
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yea, its still my noncontrolled old sound card
can't turn off doppler effect yet
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Old 19th May 2011, 11:00 AM   #10
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 Originally Posted by WTaFa: ( link to post ) 
Mr.N shows us drank style 7:45
Pretty glad I banned this filth
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Old 20th May 2011, 06:52 AM   #11
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I wouldn't be that sure that was a good decision to ban them. IMHO it would be better to use their abilities to test ProMod instead of having empty server all the time.

Players like to play with them beacue it's a big challenge to defeat them. The game is boring when you play with newbies or poor skills players.

If you had to choose between playing with AI or with them then what would you choose? I'm sure that the most of players would choose to play with them.

I'm all for banning them but only if ProMod will not help.

I remind you that you are making this to have more players...
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Old 20th May 2011, 07:45 AM   #12
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Frankly I'd be horrified if new players were forced to be on the same server as those clowns; it'd do us all a dreadful disservice.

The only reason they weren't canned over a month prior to the decision was for a couple of points you listed.
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Old 20th May 2011, 10:40 AM   #13
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Tafferoids threads tend to go offtopic from time to time, but well...

The problem with this is you cannot even tell if they are just skilled or just cheating/exploiting. Nobody has evidence of them cheating/exploiting and they deny they do it. That's why I once said the whole discussion is pointless because it won't progress.

I see no fun in playing with cheating/exploiting players. And if that is a big challange, then I vote for generally allowing exploits (and/or) cheats. Equal rights for everyone.

Shug cannot decide banning them on his own, it would require collaboration with all server admins to work out a consquent solution that works.

Does the low playercount warrant special protection for unfriendly /cheating /exploiting players? Is this the right approach?
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Old 20th May 2011, 11:25 AM   #14
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actually it's geting quite amusing, all that discussions about this 2 players all the time.
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Old 20th May 2011, 12:04 PM   #15
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 Originally Posted by Trapmaster: ( link to post ) 
Does the low playercount warrant special protection for unfriendly /cheating /exploiting players? Is this the right approach?
Not really, but it means less people care. It also means less servers, so mods will make their own where the mods can actually cheat and have full dominance.

You also get the opposite of that - Shug in this case, who'll righteously defend clean, fair gaming until his face explodes. Making his own server, and own rules for the game.
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Old 20th May 2011, 01:57 PM   #16
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You also get the opposite of that - Shug in this case,
oh yes, the saint himself.
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Old 20th May 2011, 05:37 PM   #17
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 Originally Posted by Trapmaster: ( link to post ) 
I see no fun in playing with cheating/exploiting players. And if that is a big challange, then I vote for generally allowing exploits (and/or) cheats. Equal rights for everyone.

Shug cannot decide banning them on his own, it would require collaboration with all server admins to work out a consquent solution that works.

Does the low playercount warrant special protection for unfriendly /cheating /exploiting players? Is this the right approach?
Yes this is why we as a species even have this sort of behaviour.
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Old 20th May 2011, 11:09 PM   #18
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Their behaviour, language and attitude are the reason for the ban. I also happen to know they were cheating, but if other people won't be convinced of that, that's fine. There were already plenty of people who didn't like the way they conducted themselves before I called them out on it, and other server admins such as neurofunker also sided with my decision - well, for a time, at least, before unbanning them and then publically going against it. Low playercount doesn't excuse extreme antisocial behaviour in my mind, in answer to Trap's musing on that subject.

When I say they were exploiting - I meant they were caught using anti-crack and anti-flash prior to promod. That is 100% fact. They also indulged in behaviour such as suiciding while cracked to respawn in a favourable position in public, which is essentially raging - despite more than one warning from me.

Amusingly, they can claim some credit for having me ask immortius for a solution to anti-flash / anti-crack, which is directly responsible for promod. So next time they complain about how much of promod isn't to their liking, you can tell them to give themselves a pat on the back for making it happen.

I have never told people how to run their servers, simply suggested that they be banned and listed my reasons why. Running my server strongly and backing a system to improve on stock TUT 1.6 has upset a number of people, though, which is a shame for them.

I'm not afraid of these two as they'd have you believe, and I'd play them in a competitive match on a fair server running promod fixes and with appropriate spectator supervision as well as them recording their own play to show legitimacy. They simply have shown time and again that they are incapable of playing other people without being turds.
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Old 21st May 2011, 02:33 AM   #19
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nice work tafa
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Old 21st May 2011, 02:51 AM   #20
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nice work tafa
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Old 21st May 2011, 04:31 AM   #21
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 Originally Posted by Shug: ( link to post ) 
I'd play them in a competitive match on a fair server running promod fixes and with appropriate spectator supervision as well as them recording their own play to show legitimacy. They simply have shown time and again that they are incapable of playing other people without being turds.
Well then let's see the match. I think I'm speaking for the whole remaining community when I say that we'd very much like to see the match and a crushing defeat for either side will be a rare & much enjoyed indulgence. Bring it on!
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Old 21st May 2011, 10:00 AM   #22
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nice idea WTaFa, should really ask before uploading other peoples videos tho
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Old 21st May 2011, 10:44 AM   #23
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 Originally Posted by Shug: ( link to post ) 
Their behaviour, language and attitude are the reason for the ban.

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Low playercount doesn't excuse extreme antisocial behaviour in my mind
Well said. That's exactly where I was pointing to.

Both atmosphere and the quality of the matches suffer from it. And this doesn't make "Thievery more attractive for new players" either.
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Old 21st May 2011, 03:21 PM   #24
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 Originally Posted by Trapmaster: ( link to post ) 
Well said. That's exactly where I was pointing to.

Both atmosphere and the quality of the matches suffer from it. And might not make "Thievery more attractive for all new players" either.
Fixed to what you actually are saying.
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Old 22nd May 2011, 09:59 AM   #25
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I hardly think two supposedly cheating nuisances contribute towards anyone's enjoyment of the game, Fat.

It has no positive effects, and I strongly agree that they should be kept away from public play until more effective anticheat measures are in place (something promod can actually help with).

Hell, if I ran a full-time server, those two wouldn't even touch it, cheating or not. Their attitude alone should merit a permanent ban.
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Old 22nd May 2011, 12:46 PM   #26
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 Originally Posted by Keggie: ( link to post ) 
nice idea WTaFa, should really ask before uploading other peoples videos tho
Thanx Keggie!
do you mean youself or other person(s)?
ofc I'll ask these permissions and as video violator will be thankful also for:
1. videos that I have not yet in my channels
2. videos with more high quality which I can use to replace already uploaded
3. descriptions for thievery videos
4. original videos without non licensed music tracks (cos youtube system mute/hide some of tdqs that violate copyright privacy for some countries):
"Your video, ThieveryUT - Public - Louie TH-Grange 1v3 Clutch Win, may have content that is owned or licensed by EMI.
No action is required on your part; however, if you are interested in learning how this affects your video, please visit the Content ID Matches section of your account for more information.
Sincerely,
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5. video comments

6. likes
7. subscriptions

I'll collect any (non mine) videos cos:
1. I can make my own descriptions for videos
2. I can control presence of videos in youtube - if somebody will erase own video I'll still have a copy of that video in my channel

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Old 22nd May 2011, 12:48 PM   #27
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Funny video about bugs in animations during using big S3 textures
Thanks for Komandor roleplay in it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=028vasGeerY

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Old 23rd May 2011, 04:07 AM   #28
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 Originally Posted by Sly: ( link to post ) 
I hardly think two supposedly cheating nuisances contribute towards anyone's enjoyment of the game, Fat.

It has no positive effects, and I strongly agree that they should be kept away from public play until more effective anticheat measures are in place (something promod can actually help with).

Hell, if I ran a full-time server, those two wouldn't even touch it, cheating or not. Their attitude alone should merit a permanent ban.
While observing those players in their natural habitat (on a server), I noticed that they are not abusive and do not show any signs of this abusive behaviour that tends to be a popular tag for them. What I see is 2 teens.

Either way, new players have never seen better and only the tough ones ever stay - that's why the 2 still hang around.
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Old 23rd May 2011, 07:26 AM   #29
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 Originally Posted by FatRatHead: ( link to post ) 
While observing those players in their natural habitat (on a server), I noticed that they are not abusive and do not show any signs of this abusive behaviour that tends to be a popular tag for them. What I see is 2 teens.

Either way, new players have never seen better and only the tough ones ever stay - that's why the 2 still hang around.
You're looking at them with rose-tinted glasses, then. The reason they disrupt so much comes from their gameplay. They do something lame/supposedly "hax"/rage-inducing, someone gets annoyed and calls them out on it, and they respond crudely.

Their attitude is just bad. And don't blame it on age, I was a "teen" when I started and I got on well with most people.

New players stay for a variety of reasons; don't oversimplify it. And especially on Thievery, player interaction plays a big role. It was one of the things I liked about it when I started too, that the community was so small that everyone kind of knew each other, and there was a lot of friendly banter. It's much more fun to play with people you know.

Now say a new player joins for the first time, joins T, gets firespam and a witty remark from those two. He's not very likely to stay, is he?
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Old 23rd May 2011, 08:02 AM   #30
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Sly, how much you played last 3 months? I didn't saw you at all so its interesting for me.
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