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Old 24th Apr 2005, 09:57 PM   #61
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 Originally Posted by The Dragon:
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Fail. The forum I had access to was "The Unforgiven Meeting Place" -- which former TuF members, and other select individuals, have access to. I had access as a former TuF member, and had posted there before on several occasions.

It's not my fault you didn't remember this.
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Old 24th Apr 2005, 10:01 PM   #62
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Like I said, you inadvertantly gained access. Machine even posted, your access will be fully removed now, Bill.

Regardless, what's done is done. This has nothing to do with the Turf Wars match.
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Old 24th Apr 2005, 10:01 PM   #63
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 Originally Posted by WildBill:
That wasn't a tournament setting.
Rlf played an official match, with fri involved under alias, tourny or not makes no odds, same crime.
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Old 24th Apr 2005, 10:05 PM   #64
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No, it's my fault.

As ex-tuf you were to a point supposed to have access, but I did indeed forget you had access. Guess we fucked each other over twice eh Billybob?
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Old 24th Apr 2005, 10:05 PM   #65
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 Originally Posted by Aggamemnon:
Rlf played an official match, with fri involved under alias, tourny or not makes no odds, same crime.
I don't suppose retroactive permission from the opposing team would fix it, so I'll stay out of that argument.

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Like I said, you inadvertantly gained access. Machine even posted, your access will be fully removed now, Bill.
Nonsense. I've had access to that forum since I was in TuF, and it was specifically mentioned that I'd retain it after I left. I can no longer find that thread to prove it to you, but it's there.

And if my access was inadvertant, why hadn't you dealt with it when I posted in that forum previously?

Sorry, that argument has nothing behind it. Stop making more of a fool of yourself by trying to use it as a defense.
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Old 24th Apr 2005, 10:07 PM   #66
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Stick to your morals, Bill. You were silently lurking in a private sector of our forums, after Machine thought he removed your access you stopped posting.

This isn't a defense, this is fact. Like I said, it has nothing to do with the match.
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Old 24th Apr 2005, 10:10 PM   #67
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Stick to your morals, Bill. You were silently lurking in a private sector of our forums, after Machine thought he removed your access you stopped posting.
True. Continued posting would have alerted me to this earlier.
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Old 24th Apr 2005, 10:11 PM   #68
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 Originally Posted by The Dragon:
Stick to your morals, Bill. You were silently lurking in a private sector of our forums, after Machine thought he removed your access you stopped posting.
I wasn't lurking in wait -- I had legitimate access there, I simply don't check those forums regularly. If I did, I would have taken issue with this before you did it. Gabriel made a comment that gave me the idea to check your forums, though, and I was a bit shocked at what I found.
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Old 24th Apr 2005, 10:12 PM   #69
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The last time you posted was February of 2004, buddy. That was before you were told your access was removed.
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Old 24th Apr 2005, 10:14 PM   #70
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 Originally Posted by The Dragon:
The last time you posted was February of 2004, buddy.
Lost the facade of friendliness now, eh?

 Originally Posted by The Dragon:
That was before you were told your access was removed.
I was never told my access was removed.
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Old 24th Apr 2005, 10:17 PM   #71
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 Originally Posted by WildBill:
...Gabriel made a comment that gave me the idea to check your forums,...
Which one? Me or REAL Gabriel?
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Old 24th Apr 2005, 10:19 PM   #72
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Which one? Me or REAL Gabriel?
The real Gabriel -- if you can alias on MSN, you're better at this than I am. ^_^
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Old 24th Apr 2005, 10:19 PM   #73
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The Gabriel whose keyboards are locked in his parents' safe?
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Old 24th Apr 2005, 10:35 PM   #74
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Thumbs down

omg stop being a juvenille smart-arse. Bottom line is that you are responsible for screwing the tournament, not Bill. You can take your petty feud to IM and the shreds of your dignity with it.
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Old 24th Apr 2005, 11:34 PM   #75
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I'm not particularly interested in debating ancient history nor cleaning other people's dirty laundry, guys. He saw what he wasn't meant to see, end result = where we are now. Deal with it. What the FUCK has fridae playing for CTG got to do with this?

Acknowledge that you did the wrong thing or argue that you didn't, don't bother with the personal attacks and the inconsequential jabs.
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Old 24th Apr 2005, 11:40 PM   #76
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Dragon, Machine.

You tried to justify your actions as right, and within the rules of the tournament. But the posts on your private forums brought to light by bill show that you KNEW you were doing the wrong thing.

How can you possibly continue to justify your actions.

Towards your blatant lying, I'm dissapointed, if anything else.
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Old 24th Apr 2005, 11:56 PM   #77
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 Originally Posted by Shug:
What the FUCK has fridae playing for CTG got to do with this?
Her playing for CTG has NOTHING to do with this, her calling mach for playing for another team when she has done the same WHILE in CTG does.

But of course that has everything to do with you eh shuggems.
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Old 25th Apr 2005, 12:01 AM   #78
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She used the alias of a well-known player to play for their guild?

Didn't think so. Cheers anyway.
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Old 25th Apr 2005, 12:09 AM   #79
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Aliasing for another team, unkown (so she thought, as do most) to her "real" team/guild in a propermatch, yeah! Chin up, neck back.
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Old 25th Apr 2005, 12:11 AM   #80
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 Originally Posted by Aggamemnon:
Aliasing for another team, unkown (so she thought, as do most) to her "real" team/guild in a propermatch, yeah! Chin up, neck back.
That match is well into history. Let it rest, or start a new thread for it.
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Old 25th Apr 2005, 12:12 AM   #81
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If you really insist on bringing it up, (who's bitter now) She was appropriately reprimanded and the situation was dealt with. It was obviously not as serious as the one on hand, however.
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Old 25th Apr 2005, 12:12 AM   #82
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Don't bother. I might leave the other twenty people reading this thread to explain it to you if you can't work out the difference between the two situations, Agga.
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Old 25th Apr 2005, 12:24 AM   #83
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Ever heard of Jeffrey Daumer? It's going a back a bit, but in 1991, he was caught and charged with series of murder charges as a serial murderer. I know this because he lived about 80 miles from me.

Mr Daumer had numerous body parts stored in his refrigerator. What he did to his victims was fairly brutal - you might even say psychotic. It takes a special kind of crazy to drill a hole in a man's head and pour chlorine bleach in to perform a primitive lobotomy, ensuring your victim's passiveness.

Mr Daumer's attorney, on the weight of the grotesqueness of his crimes, tried to plead insanity. Seems a perfect case for it, no?

But the judge denied it, and denied it for this reason: Mr Daumer went to extreme measures to conceal his actions. The efforts he put forth to avoid discovery clearly indicated that he knew what he was doing was wrong.

Dragon, TM, Chal, your actions, your discussions clearly indicate that you knew what you were doing was wrong. You deliberately deceived in a setting where honesty was required for a fair outcome. You discussed how important it was not to get caught. You KNEW what you were doing wasn't right. You did it anyway.
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Old 25th Apr 2005, 01:22 AM   #84
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...seems that i was the only Ex-Tuf, that has told Tufs by himself, that he can access still the Private Forums, also he is no longer a Tuf.

Those Behavior was thanked with beein a honorary Member of Tuf, yes....jukahey....
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Old 25th Apr 2005, 03:01 AM   #85
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Exclamation Read.

I'll just jump in and remind everyone of the Forum Rules. Discuss this all you want, just keep flames and personal insults out of the threads, and discuss like behaved adults (which basically means think twice before you hit that submit button).

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Old 25th Apr 2005, 01:16 PM   #86
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For the record, my stand:

I applaud my (hopefully still) friends in .:M for their creative play on Aquatone.
I'm impressed wiht my fellow teammates and our allies for the elaborate plan.
I raise my eyebrow at WildBill, but am powerless (as usual) so I carry on, but wiht one question:

If you saw what was going on, why, in all your honesty, tell that that you would consider it against the rules?
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