1.5 Watcher Model Competition! - Page 4

claymore · 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by ZTx3:

Bleh my cruddy photochops on texturinging the 2D images end-up sucking anyway imho *shrug*

Might want to add rivets long the edge of the lines to give it a little *shrug* somthing

*taking to claymore there of course*

Yes, I was thinking that. I did put rivets in before but they get stretched at some points, but I've put some in to make it look a bit like a mechanical device.

Unfortunately I didn't realise that the old unreal engine only accepts single meshes, so I had to go back to an earlier model (luckily I save at every stage, before I make changes) and attach all the seperate bits (i.e. eyes), so now it's using only 1 skin for the whole mesh.

I think I'm going to leave this as it is, whether that's good or bad, partly because I'm fed up of working on it, and that given my current skill level it's probably the best I can manage.

Turned out better than I thought considering that apart from following some tutorials, the only things I've made in max are some arches for a map I was working on. Fortunately 3DS Max is noob friendly.

edit: so yeah, this is my submission.

Stevo · 25th Mar 2005, 06:06 AM

w00t, your model rox! (even if it has to look a bit meaner *g*)

MortalMonkey · 25th Mar 2005, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Nachimir:

I think TUT could do with an evil monkey or two.

Yes, I'm not evil enough

Buho · 25th Mar 2005, 09:29 AM

Could you animate a sheath over one eye? Like a lens covering (part of a sphere maybe) so it looked like it blinks in the dark occasionally?

Thief13x · 10:07 AM

Nice claymore, I think the eyebrows had to go. The only thing that needs changed now, imo, is the gear shape around the green eye. I think it should be there, but maybe shaped differently, like an oval or maybe a some kind of concave or pentagonic shape. Maybe even make it so its not simetrical. I just think the circular shape makes it look too innocent. Cheerz

Edit: maybe somthing like this for an eye...just a rough idea

Timmy

Bulletstopper · 25th Mar 2005, 10:10 AM

I think it wouldve been really neat if someone wouldve strayed away from the typical yellow color.

PhaeThorn · 25th Mar 2005, 10:30 AM

I kind of like the good old yellow colour.

Røé · 25th Mar 2005, 11:42 AM

Yeah, but this color remids me of the old watcher model..
I thought we wanted sometihing new.
So IMO a new color is a must.

*votes for cythe's at the moment

SpamSlayer · 25th Mar 2005, 12:51 PM

I kinda like the yellow also, will the whister be the same color?

I like yellow because it looks like it is made or gold or something. It also stands out if you are a thief sneaking around.

If color does change i think a metal color would be nice, maybe a hard metal color, some fade here and there, a little gloss and shine here and there

Ex: black shiny eyes maybe, a gear or something in side the eye that you can see, black glass possibly?

-=V12US=- · 25th Mar 2005, 01:07 PM

I win!

modetwo · 25th Mar 2005, 02:33 PM

I don't see why a new color is needed, I kind of like the yellow/gold skin.

It would be cool to see some new suggestions on colors tho, no doubt. Nice work on the models so far!

Hybrid · 25th Mar 2005, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by mOdEtWo:

It would be cool to see some new suggestions on colors tho

I'm fond of black with glowing yellow eyes. It has nothing to do with dragons - really.

Master-Builder · 25th Mar 2005, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Salsa:

I'm fond of black with glowing yellow eyes. It has nothing to do with dragons - really.

And black watchers hidden away in a dark corner would definetly be easy to see.

Convict · 25th Mar 2005, 07:26 PM

Clay could you try making it look more primitive like the original model - e.g. less detailing of human features and instead leave it with harder angles.

ZTx3 · 25th Mar 2005, 08:45 PM

The rivets really make it look allot more polished imho. If you can it would look really cool to have them along every line,although if they stretch its a little harder todo

. Might also want to try leaving the 2nd eye just dark colored instead of red.

Also doesn't the current TUT have 2 whistler models? The older one for mounted stationary ones and the newer version for deployable?

p.s. Although my photochop skills where not amazing, I would gladely help tweak the skin and send it back to you in bmp format or somthing to help test and stuff. Just PM me

DeepQantas · 25th Mar 2005, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Salsa:

I'm fond of black with glowing yellow eyes. It has nothing to do with dragons - really.

Here there be (tasty) dragons! Yum!

daniel · 25th Mar 2005, 09:21 PM

i vote claymore's! i dont think it has to look mean, it is looks exactly like what a tireless sentiential watching for thieves should look like.

Schleicher · 25th Mar 2005, 10:53 PM

@Claymore : Imho the Crux of your model is the mouth, the other stuff is nice. Cant give any solid suggestions tho. Mebbe removing it/something Vader-esque/just a slit/covering it with plating/a round loudspeaker which makes the woo-woo alert thingie or something, hell dunno

claymore · 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Schleicher:

@Claymore : Imho the Crux of your model is the mouth, the other stuff is nice. Cant give any solid suggestions tho. Mebbe removing it/something Vader-esque/just a slit/covering it with plating/a round loudspeaker which makes the woo-woo alert thingie or something, hell dunno

Now that I look at it, I have to agree. I'll change that I think.

Firetiger · 26th Mar 2005, 06:36 AM

The nose bothers me, you should try and make it less pointy or something.

claymore · 04:23 PM

I've changed the mouth because it always botherd me for some reason. I've tried to make it bit more machine-like by making a more angular mouth and putting a grill texture over it. Does this look better or worse?

Firetiger: I've changed the nose a bit so it isn't as pointy as it was before.

Convict · 26th Mar 2005, 06:13 PM

Claymore if you have time could you try making the shape more of a rectangular face (not a rectangle but more like the old watcher) when looking from the frontal view - I think it would make it look more hard edged.

FatRatHead · 27th Mar 2005, 02:39 AM

I like the shape and all as it is, but the skin could be different. I would like to see it different from the old one.

claymore · 03:39 AM

You mean like this? I'm not sure how to do it because max naturally just smooths out the model. This is just changing the view, so it doesn't show it smoothed out. *talking to convict*

Anyways, I'm interested to know, anyone else working on a Watcher model?

apart from cythe and alpha

The Creator · 27th Mar 2005, 12:01 PM

If you can figure how to get the model to really be that way, it would look sweet after retexturing.

Radamanthus · 27th Mar 2005, 12:12 PM

It's an absolutely amazing model, and Thievery could almost use it as a standard to revamp the rest of the mod. a highly-polished, no longer UT99-old-skool bad graphics is what yeh've got there. Can't wait for it too be implemented (hinthint)

BTW, you're using 3DstudioMAx, right? You know whre i can get a cheap copy of it? Until then i'm stuck using Autodesk Revit and exporting to all kinds of odd filetypes.

claymore · 02:06 PM

Thanks, rad. I wouldn't call it that amazing, but your comments are much appreciated.

As for 3ds max, I'm using version 5, which still has most of the features of the newer versions (up to 7 now). I think you can buy it for about $3K now, though I've heard that some bad people download it off p2p, but obviously no one here would do that.

Master-Builder · 03:50 PM

You can get a 2 year student license for 100$, which is a somewhat cheaper solution if you happen to be studying something.

Radamanthus · 27th Mar 2005, 02:52 PM

My Architectural design prof. gave me his old copy of Revit (6.1) And he's got an old 3DS version too (5.0)
Now i jsut have to outbid the rest of the school district...

thanks for the idea, MB

Firetiger · 27th Mar 2005, 08:58 PM

Yeah, I got a 1 year liscense of Max 7 for about $100, student discount. They list some retailers on their website.

25th Mar 2005, 04:59 AM	#91
claymore Account not validated Registered: Dec 2003	Originally Posted by ZTx3: Bleh my cruddy photochops on texturinging the 2D images end-up sucking anyway imho shrug Might want to add rivets long the edge of the lines to give it a little shrug somthing taking to claymore there of course Yes, I was thinking that. I did put rivets in before but they get stretched at some points, but I've put some in to make it look a bit like a mechanical device. Unfortunately I didn't realise that the old unreal engine only accepts single meshes, so I had to go back to an earlier model (luckily I save at every stage, before I make changes) and attach all the seperate bits (i.e. eyes), so now it's using only 1 skin for the whole mesh. I think I'm going to leave this as it is, whether that's good or bad, partly because I'm fed up of working on it, and that given my current skill level it's probably the best I can manage. Turned out better than I thought considering that apart from following some tutorials, the only things I've made in max are some arches for a map I was working on. Fortunately 3DS Max is noob friendly. edit: so yeah, this is my submission. Last edited by claymore; 27th Mar 2005 at 05:01 AM.

25th Mar 2005, 06:33 AM	#93
MortalMonkey Member Registered: Mar 2003 Location: A + Normal( B - A ) * ((( B - A ) dot ( P - A )) / VSize( A - B ))	Originally Posted by Nachimir: I think TUT could do with an evil monkey or two. Yes, I'm not evil enough __________________ ]V[]V[

25th Mar 2005, 09:29 AM	#94
Buho Member Registered: Jan 2003 Location: Hey guess what? Santa Hat season is coming...	Could you animate a sheath over one eye? Like a lens covering (part of a sphere maybe) so it looked like it blinks in the dark occasionally? __________________ "Garlisk's got a lov-el-y bunch of coconuts."

25th Mar 2005, 10:10 AM	#96
Bulletstopper Member Registered: May 2003	I think it wouldve been really neat if someone wouldve strayed away from the typical yellow color. __________________ And maybe if I just drink half I'll be half buzzed for half of the time. Who's that mastermind behind that little line? With that kind of rational man I got half a mind, to have another half of glass of wine sounds asinine Yeah I know.

25th Mar 2005, 10:30 AM	#97
PhaeThorn Member Registered: Jan 2003 Location: This pwnage was given to you by 1 of 3 mutated thievery players.	I kind of like the good old yellow colour. __________________ On demand this signature has been changed. I hope nobody was insulted or got harmed due to my signature. If this is the case, I'm fully responsible for the harm that was done. Do you feel harmed or you simply want a listening ear? Call 0900-PHAE

25th Mar 2005, 06:06 AM	#92
Stevo New Member Registered: Mar 2005	w00t, your model rox! (even if it has to look a bit meaner g)

25th Mar 2005, 11:42 AM	#98
Røé Member Registered: Dec 2003 Location: In shadow's land with gold in my hand	Yeah, but this color remids me of the old watcher model.. I thought we wanted sometihing new. So IMO a new color is a must. votes for cythe's at the moment __________________ ViaNox°røé faweron*

25th Mar 2005, 12:51 PM	#99
SpamSlayer Member Registered: Sep 2003 Location: Georgia, United States	I kinda like the yellow also, will the whister be the same color? I like yellow because it looks like it is made or gold or something. It also stands out if you are a thief sneaking around. If color does change i think a metal color would be nice, maybe a hard metal color, some fade here and there, a little gloss and shine here and there Ex: black shiny eyes maybe, a gear or something in side the eye that you can see, black glass possibly? __________________ SSSSSPPPPPAAAAAMMMMM 44444 EEEEEVVVVVEEEEEAAAAA!!!!!

25th Mar 2005, 01:07 PM	#100
-=V12US=- Member Registered: Jan 2003 Location: Netherlands Parasite: Yes	I win!

25th Mar 2005, 02:33 PM	#101
modetwo Webmaster Registered: Jan 2003 Location: .no	I don't see why a new color is needed, I kind of like the yellow/gold skin. It would be cool to see some new suggestions on colors tho, no doubt. Nice work on the models so far!

25th Mar 2005, 05:17 PM	#102
Hybrid Member Registered: Jan 2003 Location: Jan 2003	Originally Posted by mOdEtWo: It would be cool to see some new suggestions on colors tho I'm fond of black with glowing yellow eyes. It has nothing to do with dragons - really. __________________ "Vizzini lost because he saw rules in the game that weren't there. I guess that actually makes him a Scrub." -TV Tropes analyzes The Princess Bride

25th Mar 2005, 05:34 PM	#103
Master-Builder Member Registered: Mar 2003 Location: Stuck in a crate factory!	Originally Posted by Salsa: I'm fond of black with glowing yellow eyes. It has nothing to do with dragons - really. And black watchers hidden away in a dark corner would definetly be easy to see.

25th Mar 2005, 07:26 PM	#104
Convict Member Registered: Jan 2004 Location: Back in Oz...	Clay could you try making it look more primitive like the original model - e.g. less detailing of human features and instead leave it with harder angles. __________________ Night of the Werewolves II HarryPotterwars A Thief's Guide to Thievery for UT (video not complete yet)

25th Mar 2005, 08:45 PM	#105
ZTx3 Member Registered: Jan 2003 Location: Vancouver,BC,Canada	The rivets really make it look allot more polished imho. If you can it would look really cool to have them along every line,although if they stretch its a little harder todo . Might also want to try leaving the 2nd eye just dark colored instead of red. Also doesn't the current TUT have 2 whistler models? The older one for mounted stationary ones and the newer version for deployable? p.s. Although my photochop skills where not amazing, I would gladely help tweak the skin and send it back to you in bmp format or somthing to help test and stuff. Just PM me __________________ ZT Aka Trunks0,TrunksOfSuffering

25th Mar 2005, 09:03 PM	#106
DeepQantas Tester Registered: Jun 2002 Location: Tampere, nääs	Originally Posted by Salsa: I'm fond of black with glowing yellow eyes. It has nothing to do with dragons - really. Here there be (tasty) dragons! Yum!

25th Mar 2005, 09:21 PM	#107
daniel Member Registered: Jan 2003 Location: home	i vote claymore's! i dont think it has to look mean, it is looks exactly like what a tireless sentiential watching for thieves should look like. __________________ This is my cool sig.

25th Mar 2005, 10:53 PM	#108
Schleicher Member Registered: Jun 2003 Location: not in the Playboy Manor =(	@Claymore : Imho the Crux of your model is the mouth, the other stuff is nice. Cant give any solid suggestions tho. Mebbe removing it/something Vader-esque/just a slit/covering it with plating/a round loudspeaker which makes the woo-woo alert thingie or something, hell dunno __________________ My leet Thievery Map My leet UT3 Map My leet AS Map

26th Mar 2005, 04:07 AM	#109
claymore Account not validated Registered: Dec 2003	Originally Posted by Schleicher: @Claymore : Imho the Crux of your model is the mouth, the other stuff is nice. Cant give any solid suggestions tho. Mebbe removing it/something Vader-esque/just a slit/covering it with plating/a round loudspeaker which makes the woo-woo alert thingie or something, hell dunno Now that I look at it, I have to agree. I'll change that I think. Last edited by claymore; 26th Mar 2005 at 10:23 AM.

26th Mar 2005, 06:36 AM	#110
Firetiger Member Registered: Jun 2003 Location: Above your head moving at high speed.	The nose bothers me, you should try and make it less pointy or something. __________________ <-- Resident Nightblade suggestion attorney...

26th Mar 2005, 06:13 PM	#112
Convict Member Registered: Jan 2004 Location: Back in Oz...	Claymore if you have time could you try making the shape more of a rectangular face (not a rectangle but more like the old watcher) when looking from the frontal view - I think it would make it look more hard edged. __________________ Night of the Werewolves II HarryPotterwars A Thief's Guide to Thievery for UT (video not complete yet)

27th Mar 2005, 02:39 AM	#113
FatRatHead Member Registered: Sep 2004	I like the shape and all as it is, but the skin could be different. I would like to see it different from the old one.

27th Mar 2005, 12:01 PM	#115
The Creator Member Registered: Feb 2004 Location: We are The Lemmings On The Run	If you can figure how to get the model to really be that way, it would look sweet after retexturing. __________________ Salsa: The Z axis is the Acromaster's domain

27th Mar 2005, 12:12 PM	#116
Radamanthus Member Registered: Jan 2003 Location: Playing with his blades.	It's an absolutely amazing model, and Thievery could almost use it as a standard to revamp the rest of the mod. a highly-polished, no longer UT99-old-skool bad graphics is what yeh've got there. Can't wait for it too be implemented (hinthint) BTW, you're using 3DstudioMAx, right? You know whre i can get a cheap copy of it? Until then i'm stuck using Autodesk Revit and exporting to all kinds of odd filetypes. __________________ "Just off the border of your waking mind there lies another time, where darkness and light are one. As you tread the halls of sanity, you feel so glad to be unable to go beyond. I have a message from another time."

27th Mar 2005, 01:39 PM	#117
claymore Account not validated Registered: Dec 2003	Thanks, rad. I wouldn't call it that amazing, but your comments are much appreciated. As for 3ds max, I'm using version 5, which still has most of the features of the newer versions (up to 7 now). I think you can buy it for about $3K now, though I've heard that some bad people download it off p2p, but obviously no one here would do that. Last edited by claymore; 27th Mar 2005 at 02:06 PM.

27th Mar 2005, 02:01 PM	#118
Master-Builder Member Registered: Mar 2003 Location: Stuck in a crate factory!	You can get a 2 year student license for 100$, which is a somewhat cheaper solution if you happen to be studying something. Last edited by Master-Builder; 27th Mar 2005 at 03:50 PM.

27th Mar 2005, 02:52 PM	#119
Radamanthus Member Registered: Jan 2003 Location: Playing with his blades.	My Architectural design prof. gave me his old copy of Revit (6.1) And he's got an old 3DS version too (5.0) Now i jsut have to outbid the rest of the school district... thanks for the idea, MB __________________ "Just off the border of your waking mind there lies another time, where darkness and light are one. As you tread the halls of sanity, you feel so glad to be unable to go beyond. I have a message from another time."

27th Mar 2005, 08:58 PM	#120
Firetiger Member Registered: Jun 2003 Location: Above your head moving at high speed.	Yeah, I got a 1 year liscense of Max 7 for about $100, student discount. They list some retailers on their website. __________________ <-- Resident Nightblade suggestion attorney...

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