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    I have been playing a while now, and i am a little concerned about the run thing you can do alone flaming everything, which breaks the idea of the game

    I would have liked in order to ignite a parasite to expose him to flames for a certain amount of time, dealing to it damage in the meanwhile.

    I noticed the big bugs cannot just be killed with fire which is fine, but the smaller are too vulnerable maybe (?)

    any thought?

  • #2
    Is.

    Is that.

    Is that a miniature pig in your picture?
    Sarge is cool, he kills da aliens and doesn't afraid of anything!
    No seriously. Diss Conrad, and I kick your ass.

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    • #3
      looks like ripped off pigs head, ya!

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      • #4
        is a pig puppy

        trying to play on insane i noticed you cant bitch around alone, so ill stick with that

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        • #5
          If you bump up the difficulty to hard or insane the regular bugs are much more resistant to flames. Flamer is still very useful to slow down bugs so that you can dance around them (i.e. kite) or just run past.

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          • #6
            Yeah, you can dance around them on Insane with the flamer but sooner or later one of them isn't dead yet and you get too close and BAM!
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            • #7
              Flamer+Chainsaw tears though the game pretty much solo. Flamer is a bit too good.

              For flamer, I think the big problem lies in its incredible ammo efficiency. 1 puff ignites any enemy and as a result also minimizes the chance for FF. If aliens took 3-4 puffs it wouldn't be so insanely ammo efficient and so incredibly FF safe. Eggs can stay at 1 puff to ignite. If I see noobs using it improperly (a short stream of flames) it tends to run out of ammo and be less of an ultimate weapon.

              As it stands pretty much all the damage comes from the burn, 2 burns kills aliens on hard/insane, 1 burn on normal. While they burn they are no longer a threat. Make it take a little more effort to burn them and maybe give the flamer a point or two of damage to compensate.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Warskull View Post
                As it stands pretty much all the damage comes from the burn, 2 burns kills aliens on hard/insane, 1 burn on normal. While they burn they are no longer a threat. Make it take a little more effort to burn them and maybe give the flamer a point or two of damage to compensate.
                The Puffs just lower there health, until it reaches 0, and then then the burning to death animations is played (what makes them no more thread to any marine) but un Insane they can even go on and attack you when ignited.
                As a solution, I would guess that Larios idea of the dmg over time ad not 1 puff = igniting a whole bunch of tarets is pretty good, as you would have to spray it into the hord to burn them and just dont tick them on fire and run aside them while they burn to death.

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                • #9
                  Hahaha, puffs.

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                  • #10
                    On harder difficulty, you can still run low/out of ammo pretty fast depending on how you use it. Spraying in squirts, or puffing is usually a good method and has been since the UT version, the aliens die in almost the same amount of time. In this version you have basically less room to move if there are plenty on fire already and kiting more than a dozen can lead to problems.

                    But even when they're lit up they can still pose a threat if you get too close or let a couple surround you so I don't think it's too over-powered. But I wouldn't mind if the damage was a bit more randomized per bug to offset how easy it is to predict which ones will drop giving you a clean path to kite the next one in and so on. The ammo count and reserve is fine, but randomizing the damage might be interesting.

                    IE: Initial firing has a guaranteed amount of damage, while just burning aliens not being fired on and burning take less damage at different rates. I guess it could be similar to how the pyro works with random criticals in TF2.
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                    • #11
                      Another option could be to randomize swarm health. If you were to compare it to a real life, all things wouldn't be the same. One may be stronger than the other, or a little faster, or something similar. In this way, it would affect all weapons, and things couldn't always be predictable.

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                      • #12
                        Personally I agree with the idea of making it take at least 4 puffs to ignite a drone or bigger. 1 can be enough for eggs an the flying things. Reason being it just feels a bit too safe right now to use the Flamethrower. I don't need to hardly pay attention. Even if I let a bug get right in my face one click an he an his friends were ignited an stunned long enough for me to just kite away. An I didn't even need to slow down to do this you can run full speed.

                        An like was said puffs will not light other Marines on fire. Making the weapon also safe from doing FF damage. Which should not be the case. IMO FF really should be the biggest potential drawback of this weapon. Then you wouldn't see all 4 running around abusing it that is for sure.

                        So yeah to summarize:

                        Require more flames to ignite medium an large enemies. Make it slow you down to shoot. If it feels too weak after this then buff burn damage some to compensate.

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                        • #13
                          The great thing about the way this is released, that other than bug and possibly map pack support, its down to the community to run custom mods and servers to whatever people want, though its a shame we cannot use old patch versions(well it isnt yet anyway).
                          Alien Swarm Map List

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sifer2 View Post
                            Personally I agree with the idea of making it take at least 4 puffs to ignite a drone or bigger. 1 can be enough for eggs an the flying things. Reason being it just feels a bit too safe right now to use the Flamethrower. I don't need to hardly pay attention. Even if I let a bug get right in my face one click an he an his friends were ignited an stunned long enough for me to just kite away. An I didn't even need to slow down to do this you can run full speed.

                            An like was said puffs will not light other Marines on fire. Making the weapon also safe from doing FF damage. Which should not be the case. IMO FF really should be the biggest potential drawback of this weapon. Then you wouldn't see all 4 running around abusing it that is for sure.

                            So yeah to summarize:

                            Require more flames to ignite medium an large enemies. Make it slow you down to shoot. If it feels too weak after this then buff burn damage some to compensate.
                            I think a better route would be to buff the actual flamethrower damage if it is too weak requiring multiple puffs to ignite things. Make +damage significant with the flamethrower.

                            I think it would be fine if it required 3-4 puffs to ignite things though.

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                            • #15
                              It's nice as it is. At most, the addition of a, say maybe, 75% chance of ignition instead of 100%, could improve things imho. And while at it, I'd link difficulty level and enemy mass to ignition chance, say, bigger things take more hits to set ablaze.

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