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  • Fahrenheit 9/11...

    Wow. All I can sayis, wow.

    I've went to it last night - and, surprise, surprise, it was sold out. However, due to the popularity, it was ran again, at a previously unschedueled time. Two hours later, it was about to run. To my surprise, people came to that (very off-center) theatre from all over the city to see it - the person sitting next to me actually drove some several dozen kilometers from the province interior.

    The previews were correct. Fahrenheit 9/11 has made us laugh. Other scenes made many cry. Others left us shaking our heads.

    Is it an unbiased documentary? No. But does it bring up some very, VERY interesting things? "Absoultely".

    Damn the critics. They obviously interpret it through their own reality distortion field.

    When the movie devolves into problems of veteran benefits, harassment of peace groups or the grief of one family over a killed son, Moore simply loses his focus. These are worthy topics but have nothing to do with why the United States is in Iraq.
    "Reviews" like those make me stand on edge. Last time I checked, that film was about the Bush administration, with Iraq being _PART_ of it. And veteran benefit cuts have a lot to do with Bush. The movie can speak for itself in that regard.

    I loved Britney Spears... "I think we should support our president's every decision, because he's our president". Or the TV interviews of "I think we should give up some of our rights, because terrorism is obviously a threat!" All I can say to those people is: If you are willing to give up your rights to a fearmonger who couldn't pour piss out of his boot without written instructions, you don't deserve to have those rights. Bleeding simple as that.

    Its emotional appeal allright. But, somehow, Bush's (often moronic to boot) emotional appeal must be gospel, and this a sack of lies. Oddly enough, Moore can back his facts up - yet I've failed to see any of those WMD's that are North, South, East, and uhh West of the Bahgdad area.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Swiss Mercenary
    Moore can back his facts up
    That's an amusing statement, given his past.
    Nearly all men can stand adversity -- if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.

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    • #3
      I have not seen the movie, and really don't plan too. It may raise some very good points, but given his past and his political bias I know that there will be lots of bias in the "documentary". The guy just doesn't seem to be the most honest, he tried to claim that he beat O'Reilly so bad in his last interview that he wasn't allowed back on the show. However after watching the interview, well it was a debate at all, interviews are not exactly competetive and this one was any kind of contest.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by WildBill
        That's an amusing statement, given his past.
        But that article too is an opinion. If your going to point out moores
        inaccuraccies(and I'm not saying there aren't) You should use something
        other than an opinion article.

        Moore may very well be biased, but how many people do you think
        listen to Rush Limbaugh's drivel and take that as the truth?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ghostly apparition
          But that article too is an opinion. If your going to point out moores
          inaccuraccies(and I'm not saying there aren't) You should use something
          other than an opinion article.
          That article nicely summarizes some of the main problems with Bowling for Columbine. It also has links to a couple sites that provide the actual facts and original sources in several cases, if you're curious.

          Originally posted by Ghostly apparition
          Moore may very well be biased, but how many people do you think
          listen to Rush Limbaugh's drivel and take that as the truth?
          People are stupid. I'll not argue that point. ^_^
          Nearly all men can stand adversity -- if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.

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          • #6
            Yea Bill, those sites do very nicely point out what was factually wrong about parts of his earlier documentary. That however does not necessarily mean his new one has the same issues though.

            I would agree that too many people are getting their information from biased sources.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Swiss Mercenary
              I loved Britney Spears... "I think we should support our president's every decision, because he's our president".
              Do I need to say it? Do I really? OK, fine.

              Britney Spears is a moronic twit.

              Here's an opposing viewpoint:

              "The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactlly as necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or anyone else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

              You may be interested in who said that. It was Theodore Roosevelt, a former U.S. President.

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              • #8
                *Copy & Paste Teddy's quote

                Ah, LR, I have not made that clear, but the intent of those quotes was to provide comic relief to the audience. The fact that viewers know people like that adds to the feeling of "That is beyond sad..."

                I mean, on the first hit for Fahrenheit 9/11 LIES that I got was a wonderful "Article". It's first paragraph went along the lines of:

                Once upon a time, there were people in Hollywood who loved America. And when America came under attack from enemies abroad, these actors, producers, screenwriters and directors put aside their partisan differences and created movies that -- unlike Michael Moore's new schlockumentary, "Fahrenheit 9/11" -- made all moviegoers proud to be Americans.
                *Rolls eyes

                Bill -
                Bowling for Columbine may be contested. However, that movie was not meant to be made to bring the message Fahrenheit 9/11 was. If Moore got one single fact wrong, F9/11 will be torn apart. And I, myself, do not think that he is stupid enough to be putting lies in it. So far, he has backed up his sources on the things he was called on. Capish?

                I'm reading reviews, and all I see are "He's a shameless lier," and he's "Anti-American" (I guess that makes him one of those wussie frog-eaters. Or a communist. Or at least the anti-Christ. Never mind the fact that he's the opposite to being Anti-American.) When I read the supposed lies of his, those reviews either:

                Misinterpret the movie (Ignore the fact that the movie is about more then just the Bush/Bin Ladens, or Iraq)
                Or - call _OPINIONS_ lies. Gee. That really raises my confidence in their thought processes.
                Last edited by Swiss Mercenary; 26 Jun 2004, 07:33 PM.

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                • #9
                  Opinions are contradictory, disinformational and variant. How could they be nothing but lies?
                  Ah, to be a hero. Keeping such company...

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                  • #10
                    I've read all about the Bowling For Columbine documentary's problems, but the main thing that bothered me is that it just wasn't that great. It seemed like Moore thinks his audience is a bunch of 'tards when he inserts South Park-style history cartoons and seems to try to stick the blame on Charleton Heston.
                    GLORY TO THE MANY!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Swiss Mercenary
                      I'm reading reviews, and all I see are "He's a shameless lier," and he's "Anti-American" (I guess that makes him one of those wussie frog-eaters. Or a communist. Or at least the anti-Christ. Never mind the fact that he's the opposite to being Anti-American.)

                      In the view of politics, from what he does say of his opinion he sure sounds like a socialist. I wouldn't say he is being a solid all-America guy for sure.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by HammeriteGuard
                        In the view of politics, from what he does say of his opinion he sure sounds like a socialist. I wouldn't say he is being a solid all-America guy for sure.
                        Let the name-calling begin!
                        GLORY TO THE MANY!

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                        • #13
                          I don't like it when people start throwing up the "name-calling" defense. He sure sounds like a socialist, thats his political orientation. I'm not judging whether or not that is a bad thing, there are plenty of programs in the US and especially in EU countries that stem from socialist thought.

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                          • #14
                            Everything is biased is some way or another, the thing about Michael Moore and his films and book etc. Is that they are biased in the other direction to everything else you seem to hear. The fact that he is biased against those 'with the power' means that they attempt to censor him in any way possible.
                            Sure the film may be biased, but if you want to make you mind up about the issues it raises then you need to see it to get the different point of view it expresses. No, you don't have to agree with MM, but at the very least, his material will allow you to come to your own opinions about stuff and not just follow the mainstream blindly.

                            Hope to see the film when I can in Australia
                            .: Daymaster - Mockers Thievery Guild :.

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                            • #15
                              My point with the "anti-american" stuff was, he is NOT anti-american. If he were anti-american, he would blame what's going on in Iraq on America, not it's government. He is doing exactly the opposite.

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