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    Hey guys! Last night I downloaded the ISO for Slackware 10.0, it came out last week. I've been a Windows user since the Windows 95 days so this new Linux thing is very daunting. I have dabbled in Linux and Unix in the past, couldn't figure it out so I abandoned it. I bought FreeBSD 6 years ago, wow, what a challenge. So than I tried Mandrake 7.0, and than Storm Linux, wow again. That was about 3 years ago. So, last night I decided to try it again. I took my main computer, which is a Pentium 2.53 ghz proc, 512 megabytes of ram, ATI Radeon 9700 pro, and a 80 gig HD. I wanted to install Slackware as a dual boot on my 80 gig, but I decided against it. I took an old 16 gig HD that had Windows 98 on it, I than unplugged my 80 gig HD (so that Slackware had nothing to do with that hard drive) and installed it on the 16 gig HD. Installation, wow, pain in the arse. I've installed other Linux distros that had a GUI install, but Slackware was all done by command line prompts, good thing I have two computers side by side. On the computer to my left, I had a website up that went step by step on how to install Slackware. Wow, without that help, I could never of done it. So than I have to configre XFree86, that took an hour because it wouldn't recognize my monitor or graphics card, somehow, I it worked finally. So now I can boot into KDE.

    First thing I did was download Opera. RPM or Debian or tar.gz. Huh? I don't know, so I downloaded all three types. Debian wouldn't work at all. RPM and the tar.gz type kept saying "error." So I searched all over google to find out how to get this thing to work. Eventually I found it under /usr/lib/opera. Huh? It installed after all those "error" messages, and than it doesn't even tell me what directory it installed to? Whatever, it works, leave it alone. Next step, see If I can get a game to work. So I download the Hitman Demo off of a Linux Games Website. It's in the .zip format, and low and behold, and can't get the damned thing unpacked. I know there is a GunZip utility somewhere, but it's all done by command line prompts? KPackage pops up when I tried installing the Opera RPM file, but is this my only GUI unzipper/tarrer/tarballer whatever you want to call it?

    So that's where I'm at. If anybody could direct me to some useful Linux for newbie websites, it would be very appreciated (I've already found what I could in Google, but they weren't any help). Also, if you recognized what I was doing wrong above, suggestions would help.

    Thanks Linux Taffers

    -Anarchtica-

  • #2
    Talk to Leatherman about it.

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    • #3
      Sounds just like those two times I tried installing dualboot Mandrake on my comp. Both tries ended in under a week due to similar problems as you described AND general laziness (and lack of HD space ).
      My cats are black! How about yours?

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      • #4
        If you're trying to learn how to use linux, why are you using Slackware? It's a pretty hardcore distro. As far as I know it doesn't support packages, although they may have added package support since I used it.

        Anyway, most things in linux are done from the commandline. "man <command>" is your friend, it shows information regarding that command (for most commands).
        Immortius' Forge

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        • #5
          Why Slackware? I know it's not exactly newbie friendly. I've been reading about Slackware for about 4 years now, and it's been the distro I've wanted ever since. Just because I'm a n00b, doesn't mean I can't learn it, granted using Slackware is going to be hard to learn on, but I'm willing to wait and learn.

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          • #6
            Welcome!

            Hello there.

            Welcome to the fuzzy, cuddly land of Linux. I will be your tour guide, if you like. Note the splendid scenery, the lush foliage, and the giant dangerous animals in the form of separate binaries for every major piece of functionality. "Don't debug one piece of code when something goes wrong," the thinking goes, "debug hundreds of them!" But I digress.

            You were right to choose Slackware. It is simple, customizable, and largely crap-free, unlike some distros-which-shall-not-be-named. It is *not* the most user-friendly distro, if graphical tools are what you are looking for, although installing KDE goes a long way towards providing a remedy for that. It *does*, in my opinion, have the most logical system file structure, which also goes a long way towards providing a remedy.

            It is also, disclaimer, the distro I have on about 90% of my home/travel/work machines. Take my advice about distros with a grain of salt.

            But to answer your question: what command did you use to attempt to unpack the tar.gz file?

            Whoops. Misread your post. Don't have a thread view here. Would be useful. The command for decompressing a tar.gz file is, most generally,

            tar xzvf <filename>

            While a .zip file should fall quite handily to

            unzip <filename>

            Another problem with using the GUI tools, which is somewhat remedied by using the command-line interface (CLI), is that they don't usually have an verbosity standard, and may tell you nothing about where your files are being unpacked to. Best to use the command line (also take my advice about interfaces with a grain of salt).

            Good luck! If this helps, let me know. If not... let me know.

            Phil

            Oh, and now that I'm done waxing poetic, an excellent newbie website is LinuxQuestions.org. I visit there to answer questions from time to time. There are thousands of distro-specific answers there, and hundreds of people willing to lend their particular expertise to your problem. Enjoy!

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            • #7
              Hey thanks pculliton Those are also reasons I picked Slackware. Well, after I "magically" installed Opera earlier, I tried to use a tar command line for practice.

              [email protected]:~$ cd /home/anarchtica/Internet
              [email protected]:~/Internet$ tar -xvzf opera.tar.gz

              That worked and i get this really long line of text:

              opera-7.51-20040602.1-static-qt.i386-en/
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              opera-7.51-20040602.1-static-qt.i386-en/locale/en/
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              opera-7.51-20040602.1-static-qt.i386-en/help/license.txt
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              opera-7.51-20040602.1-static-qt.i386-en/install.sh

              Basically, I went to the command line, changed the directory to where the file was, and than used the tar command to untar it. Now do I have to gzip it? I see I have a new folder in the Internet folder with Opera files in there. So now do I also have to install it? I see there is a file called install.sh. I'm guessing this is a shell file that needs to have something done to it to finally get Opera installed (this all isn't necessary, I have it all already installed, I just want to practice on this file).

              Is this a 3 step process?
              1. Untar the file
              2. Gzip the file
              3. Install the file using install.sh

              Or am I dead wrong, thanks

              -Anarchtica-

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              • #8
                Good job!

                Actually, by this point, the only thing you should need to do is jump into the untar'd directory and run install.sh. (The 'z' part of the tar command line gunzips the file for you, no need to worry about that.)

                Good luck! Keep the questions coming as needed.

                Phil

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                • #9
                  Sweet! I went to the directory with install.sh and typed in:
                  ./install.sh (I tried ./runme.sh but that didn't work)
                  everything seemed to work, but i got a lot of messages say no such directory, so I'm guessing they were created.

                  Now for the fun part, now that I've installed Opera twice, how can I uninstall it? That way I have one clean fresh install, instead of two half arsed installs?

                  thanks

                  -Anarchtica-

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                  • #10
                    Why, exactly, are you dabbling in Linux? Do you want to learn Linux to the core, or just use it as a replacement for Windows? As frustrated as you seem to be already, I'm not so sure you should be using Slackware. If you really want to learn to use (and love) Linux then I suggest you pick up a beginner's book about it and read it. Twice.

                    FWIW, I installed Opera from the command prompt with the command urpmi opera. I install most everything that way (this isn't Slackware).

                    JustLinux is another helpful website (used to be known as LinuxNewbie).
                    No Linux, No Choice.
                    Know Linux, Know Choice.

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                    • #11
                      I'm not frustrated at all, I actually like it. I consider myself rather competent when it comes to computers, so I want to learn Linux like I know Windows. Linux will not replace Windows for me, computer games and software just aren't on the Linux bandwagon as they are the Windows one. How else could I play Thief 3? Within the last couple of hours, I've installed Slackware, downloaded and installed Opera. I'm typing this right now on Linux using Opera. Granted, it's one hell of a learning curve, but I think I'll stick with it this time, I'm older and wiser than I was before. And I'm quite impressed I've got this far

                      I had a problem where audio wouldn't come out of the speakers. So I typed alsa(something) to configure my soundcard. Than I went to alsamixer and turned the volume up, so now I get to hear annoying sounds when I open and close a window. Yay! No big deal, I can turn it off, but atleast I know my soundcard is working. Which leads me to the next problem, audio CD's will not play. I've heard you can't mount audio CD's. I don't even know what "mounting" really means to be honest. But when I put in a cd and use the cdplayer, a message says "Drive Error." I know the cd rom works, I installed Slackware with it. And when I try to use another cd player program, nothing happens. So this is my new problem I'm trying to fix, no big deal really, I'm enjoying myself

                      -Anarchtica-

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Anarchtica
                        I'm not frustrated at all, I actually like it. I consider myself rather competent when it comes to computers, so I want to learn Linux like I know Windows.
                        Windows and Linux are two totally different OSes. Knowing one won't help you with the other (and knowing Windows may actually hamper your ability to learn Linux since Windows doesn't always make sense). If you want to become fluent in Linux, you must study. Start with a book on the basics and work up. If you don't learn it right the first time you may get frustrated and never learn it.

                        I'm typing this right now on Linux using Opera.
                        I do that all the time!
                        No Linux, No Choice.
                        Know Linux, Know Choice.

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                        • #13
                          What I'm trying to say is that I want to learn Linux for the sake of learning. I will get a book, books are great. I've done everything I could with Windows (granted there are a million things you can do with windows, but they don't pertain to me), now I want to learn Linux for the sake of learning. I guess you could say I'm bored with Windows.

                          As far as my audio CD problem mentioned earlier, I kinda fixed it. When I was logged in as anarchtica, no audio from a cd would come out. However, I logged out, and logged into root, and now I'm listening to Peter Gabriel, typing this on Linux with Opera But I don't get how I can play audio cd's as root and not as my user anarchtica??

                          -Anarchtica-

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