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SPOILER: If you don't like reading and you just want the juicy bits about the TuF skip to just above the quotes. I'd rather you read it all but know you all won't want to.
Well thankyou very much Laughingrat and Grank, once again you've sent tremors through the community with your witchunting. The time was that I thought of you as someone who looked out for this community, someone who was dedicated to keeping the ragers and undesirables out of this community. Now I see a different side of you, I see someone who runs around burning people at the stake to either boost his own popularity or reduce that of others. You may joke about CTG taking over the community but I think a part of you, deep down, wouldn't be so upset if that really did happen. I'm disappointed with your actions over this whole situation and while I understand your concerns over possible cheating I'm disgusted in the way you've carried this whole thing out. While I lay ill in bed you've tried to rip apart my guild and disgrace one of it's members. Not only that but you've upset a lot of people in the process, many who were initially neutral to begin with. I came back to these forums to find that you had decided our waiting time of about 1 day had expired and you were going to start spilling the beans on us. Can you honestly say you expected that to go down well for any of my members? No, I doubt you can which is why I find it hard to believe that you did this entirely out of decency.
Not only that but the way you were posting about 'time running out for us to come forward' I could almost see the glee at getting the chance to show off you deductive powers to the community, sometimes you take it all too far - just because someone hides something from you does not make them your enemy. When I had got back to my computer I find these forums in turmoil and my own guild forums in chaos, none of them knew what was going on and I had dozens of requests for guidance on what to do. In all of these e-mail and PM's from my members I must have missed the ones from you or Grank asking us to state our intentions or declare more information before we could participate in matches for the sake of fair play. Oh, wait, I just checked YOU DIDN'T SEND ANY. Thanks for trying to make yourself 'da b0mb' by posting it out publicy and showing how many secrets you can spy out from people.
While it's not wrong, if used for the right reasons, you just can't go around spying on people - especially not for your own ends (which in this case I suspect was either your fear of a spy in CTG or to show off). A lot of people are beginning to see CTG as Big Brother and that's not an image that is approachable. As a fellow moderator on these forums I regard your use of the IP tracker an abuse of your moderator rights for your own ends. Regardless of whether it was to back up existing information or not, it was wrong. TheUnforgiven hadn't cheated or done anything wrong, except of course tried to hide from you - apparently the greatest sin of all. Indulge my curiosity, would you have named me if it had shown my IP next to the Keepers? What about someone in your own guild?
I would have been happy to have discussed this with you over PM or e-mail. If you'd been reasonble about your requests I would have considered teling you (or a neutral party) our identities and explaining to the community our intentions but you didn't give us that chance. We set up something to enhance this community and you burnt it to the ground, well done.
I would also have understood if you had been unhappy with our responses via pm that you would have gone public with this. If you're going to say that that might have taken to long and we could have played a match before it was sorted out then you could have just put our team on 'hold' while it was sorted out.
As it stands, it looks like our members will be reforming The Unforgiven under our true aliases. We do this reluctantly because it has been forced, but we would have done it anyway if that is what the majority of the guilds had wished. I also want you to know that we have not done if because you have asked that it be so, we have done it becuase it is the with of (seemingly) all the guilds and we do it as an act of good faith.
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Here follows the letter I had started that was originally going to be from The Sandman before I decided to show my real alias. I'm sure I've left a lot out of both parts of this post so any questions on the ethics/rules of the guild are welcome (a memberlist will be posted soon once it is all sorted out). Any flames, spam etc are not welcome, I said what I said above because I feel I have a valid point, it is not there to flame - it is because I am genuinely upset over this (No, Omega, you can't have my stuff
).
If Lr, Grank or anyone else feels they need to send me a private message over this I would rather do that than bore people here unless it is something you want to say before the whole community, which is equally welcome.
I'd also like to that everyone who has offered support to us and TheMachine over this. Particularily Omega (and I think mOdEtWo also) who had guessed that I might be in the TuF (I assume through adminning at Mog's) but had the integrity to say nothing publicly because at the time no-one had been called into disrepute. (I may be wrong about this though, they never said anything specific about it).
It's not quite finished since I changed what I was going to post but it should give you the idea of our intentions. The recruitment letter to CrouchingDork was a one off mistake in stating we would fix matches, we were in discussions about whether this was possible at the time and it was, I can only imagine, put in by mistake. We since decided before entering for any matches (as you can see) that fixing matches would not be fun, it would make our victories hollow and worthless and was not what we formed the guild for - it arised as a side-effect.
To end on a less serious note one more thing. Once you see who our members are you'll realise that we didn't need to cheat anyway, we'll 0wn j00 all!
I am The Sandman no more, I will be henceforth known as Chainsaws~TuF~.
Well thankyou very much Laughingrat and Grank, once again you've sent tremors through the community with your witchunting. The time was that I thought of you as someone who looked out for this community, someone who was dedicated to keeping the ragers and undesirables out of this community. Now I see a different side of you, I see someone who runs around burning people at the stake to either boost his own popularity or reduce that of others. You may joke about CTG taking over the community but I think a part of you, deep down, wouldn't be so upset if that really did happen. I'm disappointed with your actions over this whole situation and while I understand your concerns over possible cheating I'm disgusted in the way you've carried this whole thing out. While I lay ill in bed you've tried to rip apart my guild and disgrace one of it's members. Not only that but you've upset a lot of people in the process, many who were initially neutral to begin with. I came back to these forums to find that you had decided our waiting time of about 1 day had expired and you were going to start spilling the beans on us. Can you honestly say you expected that to go down well for any of my members? No, I doubt you can which is why I find it hard to believe that you did this entirely out of decency.
Not only that but the way you were posting about 'time running out for us to come forward' I could almost see the glee at getting the chance to show off you deductive powers to the community, sometimes you take it all too far - just because someone hides something from you does not make them your enemy. When I had got back to my computer I find these forums in turmoil and my own guild forums in chaos, none of them knew what was going on and I had dozens of requests for guidance on what to do. In all of these e-mail and PM's from my members I must have missed the ones from you or Grank asking us to state our intentions or declare more information before we could participate in matches for the sake of fair play. Oh, wait, I just checked YOU DIDN'T SEND ANY. Thanks for trying to make yourself 'da b0mb' by posting it out publicy and showing how many secrets you can spy out from people.
While it's not wrong, if used for the right reasons, you just can't go around spying on people - especially not for your own ends (which in this case I suspect was either your fear of a spy in CTG or to show off). A lot of people are beginning to see CTG as Big Brother and that's not an image that is approachable. As a fellow moderator on these forums I regard your use of the IP tracker an abuse of your moderator rights for your own ends. Regardless of whether it was to back up existing information or not, it was wrong. TheUnforgiven hadn't cheated or done anything wrong, except of course tried to hide from you - apparently the greatest sin of all. Indulge my curiosity, would you have named me if it had shown my IP next to the Keepers? What about someone in your own guild?
I would have been happy to have discussed this with you over PM or e-mail. If you'd been reasonble about your requests I would have considered teling you (or a neutral party) our identities and explaining to the community our intentions but you didn't give us that chance. We set up something to enhance this community and you burnt it to the ground, well done.
I would also have understood if you had been unhappy with our responses via pm that you would have gone public with this. If you're going to say that that might have taken to long and we could have played a match before it was sorted out then you could have just put our team on 'hold' while it was sorted out.
As it stands, it looks like our members will be reforming The Unforgiven under our true aliases. We do this reluctantly because it has been forced, but we would have done it anyway if that is what the majority of the guilds had wished. I also want you to know that we have not done if because you have asked that it be so, we have done it becuase it is the with of (seemingly) all the guilds and we do it as an act of good faith.
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Here follows the letter I had started that was originally going to be from The Sandman before I decided to show my real alias. I'm sure I've left a lot out of both parts of this post so any questions on the ethics/rules of the guild are welcome (a memberlist will be posted soon once it is all sorted out). Any flames, spam etc are not welcome, I said what I said above because I feel I have a valid point, it is not there to flame - it is because I am genuinely upset over this (No, Omega, you can't have my stuff
).If Lr, Grank or anyone else feels they need to send me a private message over this I would rather do that than bore people here unless it is something you want to say before the whole community, which is equally welcome.
I'd also like to that everyone who has offered support to us and TheMachine over this. Particularily Omega (and I think mOdEtWo also) who had guessed that I might be in the TuF (I assume through adminning at Mog's) but had the integrity to say nothing publicly because at the time no-one had been called into disrepute. (I may be wrong about this though, they never said anything specific about it).
Dear community,
Firstly, I apologise for our delay in replying but you have brought up points which have required great consideration and discussion.
Secondly, I am disappointed. Disappointed at the hatred some of you seem to have for us. Hatred which, I can only imagine comes from your fear and uncertainty. I thought better of some of you than this.
Now, to adress the points you have raised:
In simple terms; we do not cheat, we do not rage and we are not out to harm this community - more to enhance it.
If I may step out of character for a paragraph might I point out that this is a game, I play it for fun and I am too mature to take any pleasure in a victory which does not come from my own skill, wits and intelligence and as leader of this guild I excpect no less from any of our members.
I think the main thing many of you are worried about is that we will steal your tactics before a match and that we have spies in all your guilds and I agree, that is something to be concerned about. I do doubt, however, that we are the only ones who have aquired information by trickery and deceit. The difference is what we do with the knowledge we aquire and after all, that is the most important point here.
Every guild out there has their own tactics and secrets which they like to keep to themselves to give them the edge in a match. As our part as Keepers we strive for knowledge and I can guarantee that no single player (with the possible inclusion of some of the devs) knows all the secrets and tricks on the levels that we do. Something which may surprise you, and whch certainly disappoints us, is that despite our intelligence network we have discovered nearly all of these tactics through our own thorough exploration of each map. The thing is, we love knowledge and learning, it is part of what a Keeper is, part of us.
Our guild is a very close community and while I allow the members more-or-less a free reign I expect them to follow certain rules. There have at times been infringements of these rules, as can be expected of any novice, but such infringements are severely dealt with. Above all I appreciate that our secrecy makes people naturally suspicious and I frown strongly upon any member who who, through whatever actions, brings the potential for disrepute down upon us. I would rather lose a member of the guild than allow them to cause our reputation great harm and, due to the strict rules I set down for members, it has been necessary to consider this course of action in the past.
I was aware of some of the potential problems of forming this guild when it began and as such I have been very harsh with members who disobey our rules.
Whilst many guilds do not allow members to also be a member of another guild this is not one of our tenets. If a member of our guild chooses, of their own free will, to also join another guild then they are allowed to. Also, although very rare, if a member of another guild wishes to join us we will also allow it. There are two reasons I say very rare; We will not actively (despite the above error) recruit a member of another guild who has rules against it, we will also not accept requests to join our guild for obvious reasons (such as double-agents) but instead will invite those players we believe have the skill and, more importantly, the integrity and maturity necessary. Our standards for recruitment are much higher than those of other guilds because, instead of pure game skill, we look for people who play a fair game, do not cheat, are helpful to newbies and who actively contribute to the positive aspects of this community.
Any member of our guild who goes against the wishes of another guild by breaking the 'one guild only' rule does so at their own risk. They know that they would be expelled from that guild for being found out and, quite possibly, be expelled from ours for allowing themselves to be discovered. They have chosen to join another guild to contribute to our knowledge of tactics, level tips and hiding places. I would not be surprised if there has never been a player who has secretly joined two guilds under different aliases for their own ends. A lot of you may now be panicking about fixed matches etc. Allow me to try and allay those fears. If a member of our guild were also in another guild and we were scheduled to play that guild in a match there are several strict rules that our members must follow.
# They must choose, well in advance, which guild they wish to play for. Once this is chosen they cannot change their mind.
# Whichever guild they choose to play for they are not allowed to attend the practices of the other, nor discuss or read discussions on said tactics.
# They will play their absolute best on either side (meaning that against TuF the other TuF members will have to change their regalar tactics). Once they have chosen a side to play for they are commited to them.
Firstly, I apologise for our delay in replying but you have brought up points which have required great consideration and discussion.
Secondly, I am disappointed. Disappointed at the hatred some of you seem to have for us. Hatred which, I can only imagine comes from your fear and uncertainty. I thought better of some of you than this.
Now, to adress the points you have raised:
In simple terms; we do not cheat, we do not rage and we are not out to harm this community - more to enhance it.
If I may step out of character for a paragraph might I point out that this is a game, I play it for fun and I am too mature to take any pleasure in a victory which does not come from my own skill, wits and intelligence and as leader of this guild I excpect no less from any of our members.
I think the main thing many of you are worried about is that we will steal your tactics before a match and that we have spies in all your guilds and I agree, that is something to be concerned about. I do doubt, however, that we are the only ones who have aquired information by trickery and deceit. The difference is what we do with the knowledge we aquire and after all, that is the most important point here.
Every guild out there has their own tactics and secrets which they like to keep to themselves to give them the edge in a match. As our part as Keepers we strive for knowledge and I can guarantee that no single player (with the possible inclusion of some of the devs) knows all the secrets and tricks on the levels that we do. Something which may surprise you, and whch certainly disappoints us, is that despite our intelligence network we have discovered nearly all of these tactics through our own thorough exploration of each map. The thing is, we love knowledge and learning, it is part of what a Keeper is, part of us.
Our guild is a very close community and while I allow the members more-or-less a free reign I expect them to follow certain rules. There have at times been infringements of these rules, as can be expected of any novice, but such infringements are severely dealt with. Above all I appreciate that our secrecy makes people naturally suspicious and I frown strongly upon any member who who, through whatever actions, brings the potential for disrepute down upon us. I would rather lose a member of the guild than allow them to cause our reputation great harm and, due to the strict rules I set down for members, it has been necessary to consider this course of action in the past.
I was aware of some of the potential problems of forming this guild when it began and as such I have been very harsh with members who disobey our rules.
Whilst many guilds do not allow members to also be a member of another guild this is not one of our tenets. If a member of our guild chooses, of their own free will, to also join another guild then they are allowed to. Also, although very rare, if a member of another guild wishes to join us we will also allow it. There are two reasons I say very rare; We will not actively (despite the above error) recruit a member of another guild who has rules against it, we will also not accept requests to join our guild for obvious reasons (such as double-agents) but instead will invite those players we believe have the skill and, more importantly, the integrity and maturity necessary. Our standards for recruitment are much higher than those of other guilds because, instead of pure game skill, we look for people who play a fair game, do not cheat, are helpful to newbies and who actively contribute to the positive aspects of this community.
Any member of our guild who goes against the wishes of another guild by breaking the 'one guild only' rule does so at their own risk. They know that they would be expelled from that guild for being found out and, quite possibly, be expelled from ours for allowing themselves to be discovered. They have chosen to join another guild to contribute to our knowledge of tactics, level tips and hiding places. I would not be surprised if there has never been a player who has secretly joined two guilds under different aliases for their own ends. A lot of you may now be panicking about fixed matches etc. Allow me to try and allay those fears. If a member of our guild were also in another guild and we were scheduled to play that guild in a match there are several strict rules that our members must follow.
# They must choose, well in advance, which guild they wish to play for. Once this is chosen they cannot change their mind.
# Whichever guild they choose to play for they are not allowed to attend the practices of the other, nor discuss or read discussions on said tactics.
# They will play their absolute best on either side (meaning that against TuF the other TuF members will have to change their regalar tactics). Once they have chosen a side to play for they are commited to them.
To end on a less serious note one more thing. Once you see who our members are you'll realise that we didn't need to cheat anyway, we'll 0wn j00 all!
I am The Sandman no more, I will be henceforth known as Chainsaws~TuF~.
using TheMachine as an example)
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