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    Hello,

    I went to play TUT recently and when it attempts to load any of the maps I tried, UT closes out back to the desktop with an error about "not enough virtual memory". Any thoughts? I can load up to the menu screens okay.

    No new hardware changes, etc. and it always ran okay in the past. Not sure if it is one of the custom maps I installed started it, so I removed those (specifically the "Classic" custom maps).
    Team ORJ

  • #2
    Which version of Windows are using?

    Routine things come to mind first: How much space is available on your swap file drive(s)? Defragged that disk recently? Run Chkdsk or similar? How much memory allocated for the swap file? Any other programs running? Tried running after rebooting with only the bare essential programs running in the background?
    Last edited by Thebos; 2 Jun 2004, 02:07 PM. Reason: Added a couple more thoughts
    Give some taffer fire, and you'll keep him warm for the night with one less reason to cause trouble for the master.
    Set a taffer on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life, and have no need to bother the master.

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    • #3
      Thebos,

      Thank you for replying.

      I have done/tried all of what you suggested, that's why I'm not sure if it was due to the new "CLASSIC" custom maps installed caused it, or if it was an issue that has been around for a couple of weeks (when I last played TUT).

      I think I will be uninstalling/reinstalling UT and TUT, but here are my specs...

      P3 750 MHz
      384 Mb
      WIN98SE
      C: drive free space = over 9 Gb (hdd that does the file swapping)
      D: drive free space = over 6 Gb (hdd where UT and TUT are installed)

      I weekly run a ScanDisk, Disk Defrag, virus scan, etc.

      Thank you for any assistance, but like I said, I may just end up uninstalling/reinstalling.
      Team ORJ

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      • #4
        UPDATE:
        I uninstalled/reinstalled UT (v.436) and TUT (v.1.4) and everything seems to be okay... for now. I'm not sure what happened prior. Was there some files from within the UT "system" folder I could have modified or deleted to help resolve my problem for future reference? It was just a thought after the fact I had already reinstalled the games.
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        • #5
          Still happening...

          Ugghhh!

          I still can't play TUT. What I wrote above is not entirely accurate because it is still happening. I don't understand why I'm having these issues now... Very frustrating!

          In the above posts you will see my computer is old by today's standards but has always been good enough for TUT. I can run other games just fine, including more recent games such as "Call of Duty" with no problems. I have played TUT ver. 1.4 in the past okay, but something has changed because I STILL get the Virtual Memory error, now even when initially loading the game:
          Code:
          Critical Error
          
          Ran out of virtual memory. To prevent this condition, you must free up more space on your primary hard disk.
          
          History: FMallocWindows::Malloc <- FMallocWindows:Realloc <- 00000000 65536 FArray <- FArray::Realloc <- 65536*1 <- TArray<< <- 
          TLazyArray::Load <- TLazyArray<< <- FMipmap<< <- SerializeMips <- UTexture::Serialze <- LoadObject <- (Texture Detail.sandy 
          520346==520346/1729964 520275 87556) <- ULinkerLoad::Preload <- PreloadObjects <- UObject::EndLoad <- 
          UObject::StaticLoadObject <- (Engine.Level None.MyLevel TH-Aqautone.unr) <- LoadLevel <- UGameEngine::LoadMap <- 
          LocalMapURL <- UGameEngine::Browse <- ServerTravel <- UGameEngine::Tick <- UpdateWorld <- MainLoop
          Whew! I hoped I typed it out correctly.

          Previously, the game had been updated using all the incremental patches (ie. 1.2 - 1.3 - 1.4), but when I uninstalled it, I had downloaded and used the full version of 1.4 so I don't think it is related to that since I get the same results.

          Can any of you please help out? Perhaps one of the developers would have a moment to look at the above error? Or am I just out of luck?

          Thank you again, for any assistance. I have run the standard preventive maintenance items, along with an anti-virus and anti-spyware scans, too. Everything comes back okay. I'm at a loss of what else to do or check for.
          Team ORJ

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          • #6
            UPDATE to the error I posted above. The code I posted was from a screenshot when I was able to load the game to the menus, but would have the critical error when trying to load a map. In the case above, it was trying to load "Aquatone".

            Now that I can't even load the game at all, the error is similar but some of the details are different (such as which UNR (map) is being loaded).
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            • #7
              I don't know a terrible lot on the subject, but you didn't give Thebos the swap file size. It's probably wise to set it to automatic, but something could have changed it. It's in Control Panel\System, somewhere in there, if you don't know.

              And if you have it on automatic, that's beyond my area of expertise..

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              • #8
                Regarding the swap file size:

                It was automatic and the computer setup to run virtual memory as a "Desktop". I changed it to be minimum 384 Mb with maximum 512 Mb, and the computer to be a "Network Server" (remember, I am still running WIN 98SE), but no luck, so that's when I went ahead and uninstalled both TUT and UT, then reinstalled.

                Also, for clarification, I have even tried shutting down any other running background applications after a clean reboot. I did everything that I could think of before I posted about it (except for the uninstall/reinstall). I am planning to try updating my video card drivers, etc. in hope that whatever got messed up for UT/TUT will be corrected. Like previously posted I am able to run current games okay, such as "Call of Duty", "Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy", STEAM apps: "Half-Life", "Day of Defeat", along with other programs - no issues that I can tell.
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                • #9
                  The situation sounds like a resource conflict, and would suspect some other program is locking out the space UT needs to run. Culprit could be windows itself for all I know. If driver updates not do the trick, some desperation tactics:

                  -1) Removing all programs except Explorer and Systray after you boot may not be good enough. The program causing the problem may have already locked the resource after you shut it down. TO eliminate that possibility, perform a clean boot. Microsoft Knowledge Base Article 331796 on the Microsoft support page describes how. For Win98, use MSconfig to disable everything not needed - the page goes into detail how.

                  If that does not work, try a startup manager. They seem to do a little more then msconfig. WWW.mlin.net has nice freeware version (as well another nice routine that informs you if some application trys to add a program to the start sequence). WWW.pcmag.com/utilites also has a nice looking one that seems more thotough, but you have to pay $20 to register there before downloading.

                  -2) I know you mentioned you performed spyware scans, but did you try more then one? ONny asking to make sure. Different programs may catch things other programs miss.

                  -3) Would recommend NOT allowing Windows to configure your swap space. Try configuring it to a FIXED value 2X your RAM (768M).Nothing magical about that, just typical of things I have read. Should be more then sufficient for your needs. You may loose a some hard disk space, but for now, good for checking that avenue. If your D: drive is a seperate physical drive, would recommend assigning a folder dedicated to the swap file on that drive.

                  -4) For kicks, run "dxdiag" (directX diagnositc), and see how much memory that turns up

                  -5) Switch to software rendering and see if that makes a difference. If that does not work, switch it back.


                  Hope something in there helps.
                  Give some taffer fire, and you'll keep him warm for the night with one less reason to cause trouble for the master.
                  Set a taffer on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life, and have no need to bother the master.

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                  • #10
                    Thank you again, Thebos, for responding.

                    ANSWER 1) I tried to disable all the extra startup programs, but my computer is at the point where it is crashing even just loading up windows, so I'm having trouble now just in general. This is no longer just a UT/TUT issue. The out of virtual memory error was just the tip of the iceberg.

                    ANSWER 2) As for follow-up to what you asked, Thebos, I ran two anti-spyware programs (both FREE): Ad-aware and Spybot. You are correct how it seems that one doesn't always seem to catch everything, but running the another anti-spyware seems to help find anything missed.

                    ANSWER 3) How do you assign a swap file space on another physical drive? I don't know this tactic. In an earlier post above, I mentioned I had already assigned a minimum/maximum amount of HDD space for virtual memory (versus letting Windows handle it automatically but it did not make a difference in this case).

                    ANSWER 5) Ever since uninstalling/reinstalling UT and TUT, I am not able to get to the main menu even any more. I thought of trying the "software rendering" mode, but in this case, it won't do much good.


                    FINAL VERDICT:
                    The "out of virtual memory" error was just symptoms that my operating system was starting to act strange. Once I can get data moved off of my C: onto the second hard drive (which might be difficult since I'm having trouble just booting into Windows without errors), I will be formatting and reinstalling (yes, still just WIN 98SE but I don't have another legit copy of a more recent Windows).
                    Last edited by Scrawprin; 8 Jun 2004, 09:45 AM.
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                    • #11
                      Picked up on the specifying of the virtual memory. By "fixed" I meant set min and max to the same value. Prevents windows from ever having to do a readjustment. Doubt it would help, but it (like my other suggestions) where simple things to try before saying "Cannot help - may need to reinstall windows-reformating before recomended." (AS memory serves- you are in Milwaukee? If so, see my PM, otherwise ignore/delete it) Specifying a specific drive for the swap file partition is as easy as specifying those limits.

                      Go to the virtual memory settings->Check "Let me specify my settings". I assume this is how you changed your setting initially? There should be an area where you can choose your path. Change it to what is desired. If more detail is needed, let me know.

                      Having the OS and swap file on two seperate physical drives allows data transfers to happen simultaneously to both the OS and the swap file, and reduces drive fragmentation.

                      My own preference with two drives has been to have the OS on its own partition on one physical drive, and the swap file on its own partition on the other physical drive. All programs, data, etc on seperate partitions. Find it makes for neater housekeeping. If the swap file is given its own private partition, would recommend fixing it to one size. The performance gains is near negligible, but no reason not to fix it if the drive only contains the swap file.
                      Give some taffer fire, and you'll keep him warm for the night with one less reason to cause trouble for the master.
                      Set a taffer on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life, and have no need to bother the master.

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                      • #12
                        Have you scanned for viruses too?

                        It sounds to me like bits of windows are corrupt, I would do as bossy says and make sure you install windows on a seperate drive / partition, my setup (shown below) I find to be extremely easy to maintain and secure.

                        Drive 1 : Split into 3 Partitions.
                        Part 1 : Windows XP Pro + 1 gig swapfile (pure gaming, no tsr's, no systray icons)
                        Part 2 : Windows 2000 Pro + 1 gig swapfile (office applications etc.. here)
                        Part 3 : 80 gig leftover for games and program files.

                        Drive 2 : Datadrive
                        Contains documents, music, vids storage, porn, LR's pants etc...
                        ~TuF~

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                        • #13
                          Actually, I am not bossy- bosy maybe, but not bossy. Ya be thinking about someone else. :p

                          My recomendation was little different- split the OS and the swap file partitions, and make sure they are on seperate drives (with the swap on the faster of the two drives if relevant).

                          MY previous Win98 SE set-up:

                          Drive 1:
                          OS partition
                          Data partitions

                          Drive 2:
                          Swap File partition
                          Various partitions for Programs, utilites, CD'copies, etc.


                          Recently upgraded WinXP Pro (removing all traces of 98SE from that PC) and decided to try Dynamic disks):

                          Stryped Drives (non-fault tolerant, Windows controlled):
                          Swap
                          Workspace
                          Games

                          Drive 1:
                          WinXP Pro

                          Drive 2:
                          Data
                          Utilities
                          Applications


                          Not sure if stryped is the best thing for the swap though. Still learning about this.


                          Anyway, if you do go through the trouble of a clean install, would recommend adding a startup manager as mentioned above. Can be annoying when installing new software, but might save some headaches in the long run (like adware that sneaks in and reinstall itself after deletion). I have been using the freeware "Startup Monitor" from www.mlin.net. Seems to work well.
                          Give some taffer fire, and you'll keep him warm for the night with one less reason to cause trouble for the master.
                          Set a taffer on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life, and have no need to bother the master.

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                          • #14
                            Thank you, TheMachine and Thebos, for the suggestions. I will keep those in mind tonight when I format my WIN 98SE.

                            I figured it is time to format it anyway - it has been over 2.5 years since it was last done. I try to keep a clean machine, but even after that long Windows seems to have crazy things start happening.
                            Team ORJ

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                            • #15
                              I apologize for digging up an old thread, but I wanted to say that I finally got around to reinstalling UT and TUT... and it works! Yay! I ended up getting a "newer" computer, and passed on my older (reformatted) WIN98SE machine to my wife (it still has problems but she doesn't play games).

                              *Corrected poor grammar.*
                              Last edited by Scrawprin; 23 Aug 2004, 10:51 AM.
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