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  • #16
    Originally posted by TheMachine
    Mutants do not equal TuF Mutants are TSG, CTG, ToB and TuF members combined.
    Yeah i'm not in ToB man, i'm not in a guild anymore. I wasn't in ToB since january, or december Before the tornay started.
    I have sex with my hand!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by FatRatHead
      It was obvious, that this tournament isn't going to be fair.
      That is why I left, better than bitching or joining the "unfair" side.

      Don't start that again, FRH. You're giving rodentdom a bad name. just because your team failed to do ANYTHING in planning a match, and suffered a forfeit as a result, doesn't make the tournament unfair. You suffered perfectly just consequences for your (in)action.

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      • #18
        Not really

        My problem was elsewhere. It was alright with me to forfeit the match, I didn't like the "you (NLDW) lose a map, they (don't remember who, but certainly someone) don't" rule.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by TheMachine
          Mutants do not equal TuF Mutants are TSG, CTG, TOB and TuF members combined.
          Which ToB member(s) is(are) among the mutants?

          Originally posted by TheMachine
          It was I who put the idea to them. If you want to blame somebody blame me.
          The other members had the option to at the very least step down. If they still played knowing this, then they are as quilty.
          Give some taffer fire, and you'll keep him warm for the night with one less reason to cause trouble for the master.
          Set a taffer on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life, and have no need to bother the master.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Thebos
            Which ToB member(s) is(are) among the mutants?
            No ToB member is affiliated with the mutants in any way. I just wanted to make that clear so we don't get dragged in to this argument.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by FatRatHead
              My problem was elsewhere. It was alright with me to forfeit the match, I didn't like the "you (NLDW) lose a map, they (don't remember who, but certainly someone) don't" rule.
              Their opponents decided that even though they were late, they would play them anyway. Wildbill allowed this. And, of course, the most important rule of the tournament was that Wildbill's say was final.

              For future tournaments, if there are any, I would suggest the following rule or some other definitive equivalent be at the top of the rules list:

              Rule 0: <Tournament Administrator's Name> is the supreme arbiter of the tournament. He/She reserves the right to hand down judgement on any action taken as part of this tournament, including judgements that contradict and overrule the rules as laid out below. This means if something isn't explicitly mentioned in these rules, or you are at all unsure of legality of some action you should ask about it first.
              Immortius' Forge

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              • #22
                Originally posted by FatRatHead
                My problem was elsewhere. It was alright with me to forfeit the match, I didn't like the "you (NLDW) lose a map, they (don't remember who, but certainly someone) don't" rule.
                The other team made an attempt to schedule their match. NLDW said not a word, even upon being prompted to do so. Night and day.

                Originally posted by immortius
                For future tournaments, if there are any, I would suggest the following rule or some other definitive equivalent be at the top of the rules list:

                Rule 0: <Tournament Administrator's Name> is the supreme arbiter of the tournament. He/She reserves the right to hand down judgement on any action taken as part of this tournament, including judgements that contradict and overrule the rules as laid out below. This means if something isn't explicitly mentioned in these rules, or you are at all unsure of legality of some action you should ask about it first.
                That rule was already present.

                "WildBill"]VII - I am the sole and final arbiter of this tournament. Any issue will be resolved by me, and my word is final.
                Granted, it's not as explicit as your version, but it's really not ambiguous.

                Originally posted by immortius
                For future tournaments, if there are any, I would suggest the following rule or some other definitive equivalent be at the top of the rules list:
                At this point, I think anyone who would try to run a tournament in this community would have to be an idiot. This community doesn't seem to have the ability to go more than a month or two without inflicting some major drama on itself.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by TheMachine
                  I'm happy to see that our private forums have been flashed about to just about everyone now, why not just post them here? Guess we deserve it though eh? I thought we had come to an agreement
                  I had sent a copy of that thread to Grank almost as soon as I finished downloading it -- partly for evidence in his bannings, and partly so that somebody reputable in the community would have a copy. I didn't intend for it to spread beyond that, but apparently it has.

                  Since the response from both your teams in this affair has been to retreat from one set of lies to another trying to defend an indefensible position, I thought the truth needed to be out there.
                  Nearly all men can stand adversity -- if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Radamanthus
                    Also, I only owe an apology in this community to each Aggamemnon and PhaeThorn, as I have been a complete jackass to them in the past.
                    Don't worry, I'm more of a jackass than you are
                    On demand this signature has been changed. I hope nobody was insulted or got harmed due to my signature. If this is the case, I'm fully responsible for the harm that was done. Do you feel harmed or you simply want a listening ear?

                    Call 0900-PHAE

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                    • #25
                      Machine and I are sorry for taking part in screwing up this tournament. We are sorry for our ridiculous behavior and some of the ludicrous choices we have made in the past year, which have led to some long-lasting barriers between us and other members in this community. If you can believe this, we never set out to break this tournament or unfairly compete in any way. Our responses to the idea of this tournament were quite sincere…I felt too busy and overwhelmed, Machine wanted to play with a different group of friends. My decision to join this tournament was a completely arbitrary one made after a brief discussion with Chalrif, Gabriel, and LoToR. We did not join the tournament to unbalance the scales…we had every intention of crushing Machine’s team, actually.

                      Two moves into the tournament, I believe, things changed, and our teams agreed that if we could help eachother win, then everyone would share the glory. Yet tactics and behavior grew out of hand, and for that, I apologize. But even moreso, I am disgusted with my own behavior on these boards. The real need for an apology lies there. Thus, I am posting this apology, not any other member of Mutants or Forsaken.

                      I am sincerely apologetic that I have continued flames on these boards...not only these past few days but in the past year. Recently, especially, I've said some things that I regret and actually feel humiliated by, but most prominently I have done things for which I deserve nothing but to hang my head publicly in shame.

                      There are people in this community who are role models - some of them I befriended, some of them I did not. Some of them I chose to, somewhat unconsciously, anger and attack. My strong and stubborn personality clashes with others, I know that. And there was a time, earlier, when I still managed to maintain the balance and uphold respect and honor. Yet the past year has seen me digress, and I see clearly that I have not only injured myself, but I have helped to injure this community.

                      For those of you who know me, and especially those of you who hate me, you should know that a humbling apology like this isn't something I often make. But to not recognize where I've gone wrong, the things I've done and said...would be foolish and immature. I used to take pride in my maturity both in the game and on the boards - now it's a joke. Perhaps some of it was Teamspeak, and the familiar environment that allowed me to feel more comfortable, or perhaps it was just me. But for whatever the reason, my behavior has fallen to an undisputed and deplorable low. For this, I apologize.

                      For my words, and most notably, my hypocrisy, I apologize. God, thank the Lord I am writing these words...because it's the only way I will be able to step into the present.

                      To LaughingRat and Wildbill: Thank you for being two of the most intelligent, wisest, and most tell-it-like-it-is people I know in this community. I really do look up to you both...that's why I pursued you for recruitment for over a year, Bill. LaughingRat, repeatedly I have burned you, and repeatedly you've done nothing but show me respect. I am sorry for burning you guys again. I am sorry for urinating on your trust and giving you the proverbial finger. I understand that again, I have severed a relationship. I hope I can build it back.

                      To Shug, Rodent, and Gladius: Herein lies the height of the aforementioned digression. I have thrown attacks, lies, and hypocrisy in each of your faces...then wondered why we fail to get along. I do want you to know that repeatedly I have looked up and screamed with frustration in this situation, because I wanted so badly to form a relationship with you guys similar to that I share with other Thievery players. But stupid, stupid me. Something about me...I will leave out tiny bits of the truth and hide them even from myself...like the fact that I have given you guys no real reason to like me. I hope that someday, in the future, you will be able to accept this apology and see it as genuine, but damn...I do not blame you if you don't. I have wronged you as people, and wronged you as gamers, and for that, I am deeply sorry.

                      To the rest of the community: I'm sorry for bringing such a negative and superior attitude to this game. I have lied to myself and tried to blame others for my spurts of anger: Rodent, Impulse, Industrialism. But really, it's all me, baby. I stopped playing this game for fun long ago...and that's when I stopped having fun. That's when Thievery became a chore, and my impossible task was to conquer a Player vs. Player environment. How I expected to do that...god knows. But I am realizing that this goal was in the back of my mind all along, pushing me in one direction or another. I would scold others for the very behavior I exhibited, and never realized that my signature meant nothing.

                      I have been walking around with my eyes closed, ignoring my own behavior to the point where I have blurred the line between right and wrong. This isn't about Turf Wars III, this isn't about winning, losing, matches or tournaments. This is about me, and me accepting that I have wronged this community - a tiny group of players, most of whom I would like to consider friends. Sadly, I know that I will be always Unforgiven, suitably. But I hope, that with time, I can show some of you that I mean every word I have said today, and am now stepping forward into a new online persona, a persona that reflects who I really am.

                      Because what you've seen isn't it. What you've seen is nothing more than the postings of a child with the intelligence to speak coherently and play decent Thievery. This is my first post, perhaps in more than a year, as an adult on-line gamer.

                      To the future.
                      Last edited by The Dragon; 25th Apr 2005, 02:51 PM.

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                      • #26
                        At this point, I think anyone who would try to run a tournament in this community would have to be an idiot.
                        Well said, LR.

                        Thanks for trying, Bill. It seems that you're not the idiot required for the job. Good luck running organized event, folks. I know for one that I won't be participating.

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                        • #27
                          One other thing:

                          Thank you, people like Shug, Daniel, LaughingRat, Bill...for being bigger people than I thought possible. Thank you for remaining more mature than I could have imagined. Hopefully I will be that person as well, down the road.

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                          • #28
                            Well said, Dragon. I'd like to believe it all. You have to understand though that trust, once lost, is very difficult to regain. The words are nice, but in the end, it's your actions that will make what you've said mean everything, or nothing.

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                            • #29
                              I know. It is a challenge that, by posting and voicing it, I have bound myself to. I will use all of my power to instill truth into that post.

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                              • #30
                                Not to interrupt discussion or anything, but I would like to say that the matches I took part in were quite fun.
                                Still -)(The Chosen One)(-

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